witesoxfan

I wish someone would have told that to the Twins after we split with them at the Cell in September of last year. Goddamn Jose Paniagua. If anyone deserves this, it's you :fyou

No. He likes Ross Perot.

Of course you never heard about the kissing and making up part between Frank and David. There was 500-pounds of man-love right there. Just playing about the man-love part, but I'm not kidding about the two making up. They actually did make up. They're fine now. I'm sure Frank would welcome Big Dave back if he came to the Sox.

He's hitting over .300 all year, but more importantly, he's hitting .343 with an OPS of over .800 against RHP(and for a leadoff hitter that's just supposed to get on base, and not be a slugging-type, that's pretty f***ing good). So I retract that statement. If we need him to come in and hit for Rowand(who's hitting .188 against RHP), do it in a second. That's the only person Willie should PH for though.

Clayton was bad. But I don't know why people consider trading for David Wells a bad move. Sirotka never threw a pitch for the Jays, and Wells was mediocre for us. Last time I checked, mediocre was better then nothing at all. And Wells was a mentor to Buehrle. That in its own right is very important. Wells has always been a solid pitcher. I just wish he wasn't 41 or so. I've always like David Wells...he's a gamer, and he's always good for 200 innings and 15 or so wins a year.

To help wu83 here a little, he said "a Dustan Mohr, Bobby Kielty..." He didn't say the Twins have THE Dustan Mohr or THE Bobby Kielty.

Just curious here... What is the point of PHing Harris? His ability to fly around the bases is his best feature, and with injured legs, he won't be doing much running, correct? With that being said, Willie will have a good seat for watching the game.

I wouldn't call him the man. But he's done a solid job as GM. He isn't the best(as seen by signing Koch to a $10 mill deal before he threw a pitch, by signing Konerko to a $23 mill deal, and signing Lee to a $15 mill deal...all are excellent examples of putting too much money into the wrong spots), but he isn't the worst.

Exactly. If Konerko, Diaz, Rauch, and Cotts can get you Schmidt, can that also get you RJ? (assuming Arizona takes on much of his contract for 05). Personally, I think he is a pitcher I would rather have then Schmidt

Get me an ace, dammit. I think I've said that a time or two before.

We can win without Maggs, yet the Twins are hurt big time by the loss of Stewart? What in the blue f***? That makes no sense at all. Maggs is our money player, he is our RBI guy, he is probably our best hitter and best all-around player. Period. Losing Stewart is not the end of the world. Their OF is filled perfectly fine with Ford, Hunter, and Jones from left-to-right, and, as playa pointed out, LeCroy, even considering how fast he is, can hit the s*** out of the ball too. Losing Stewart, while it hurts, is not really a huge issue...it's not like us losing Maggs. If for some reason or another, we lost Maggs for a stretch of time, we could very well be f***ed. I want a sweep too. But don't get ahead of yourself.

They finish in the lower third of that division every year for a reason, and part of it is trading away good players for s***(I think the main part of that deal was Jose Hernandez...Jose f***ing Hernandez for crying out loud. What in the f***? And what's even worse, this guy got Kip Wells, Josh Fogg, and Sean Lowe for a guy that put up a 6.00 ERA for us). This is a definite possibility. I mean, unless you think Jose Hernandez was gonna do it for them 5-tool players are b****in. But we have a couple guys on the team who could be 5-tool-esque players. Uribe and Maggs off the top of my head, and if you consider Carlos to have good defense and a good arm, he can also be considered a 5-tool player. Not quite to the extent of Beltran, but they are 5-toolers nonetheless. No I don't. I think KW could get Schmidt, but I don't think he would, nor do I think he should, get Beltran. What San Fran doesn't take to get Schmidt, KC will probably want. We give up Reed and Honel for Schmidt, KC will want Sweeney/Anderson and Cotts. Too big a price to pay for a rent-a-player and an injury-prone pitcher. However, give KW some credit. You yourself said you thought he could get us Ben Grieve I don't know. It depends on what kind of other offers I'm getting. There are a lot of things to look into a try to find out. Say the Yankees are offering me their #1 prospect and their #6 prospect...I will look to see how their minor league system is(maybe they're top heavy, or IOW, maybe the top 10 prospects are killer but it lacks depth...maybe by top heavy I mean that they have quite a few quality players who are damn near ready to play in the big leagues...maybe for instance I don't know what I mean by top heavy) and determine if getting the Yankees #1 and #6 prospect is better then getting the Sox #6 and #11 prospect. Assuming it is, I would ask the Sox to see if they want to up their offer or not. Try to get into a bidding war like that. It's like an auction. You don't say the value is something and then not back down. You progressively make the offers bigger until you get the best offer. How do we know that wasn't lightning in a bottle, like I said earlier. And a 5th starter will probably be acquired IF the Royals get into the mix of things, not as soon as. They are not back in it yet (but in the same regard, one can say they aren't out if it, though I do think they are out of it) Texas also had ARod, IRod(for part of the years), Juan Gone(see IRod), Palmeiro, Teixiera, Blalock, Young. Texas's offense was much, much more explosive then KC's is. And the only one in KC's staff who has proved to be real effective this year is Gobble. This not mentioning that their bullpen has been horrid...Leskanic forgot how to throw it over the plate, Sullivan is getting lit up like a XMas tree, Grimsley has struggled with control, Field has been not so good...right now, they have no one in the bullpen that I would want on the Sox, with the exception of probably Grimsley. They have to turn it around quick, or they ARE done, whether they like it or not. If they have one of the richest people in the universe as their owner, how come they are not even considering resigning Beltran? Why didn't they go after a Curt Schilling or a Javy Vazquez or a Kevin Brown in the offseason? Why not sign both Benetiz and Urbina? The Sox are beatable right now. Get the Sox an ace, some bullpen depth, and a solid LH hitter for the middle of the lineup(or at the least, a sparkplug-type player for the middle of the order), and I believe they can run away with this thing. They have to get those things first, and that will not be easy. They may have the talent, but as the Sox have proven in the past, talent doesn't get you s*** if you ain't got a team. That sounds corny and stupid, but it's the truth. As I said, I'll take the best offer I get. Obviously, I'm not going to take Wright anymore, but if the best offer I get is Rauch and Diaz, that's the offer I take. I highly doubt that is the best offer they receive, but I thought the Pirates were going to get a hell of a lot more then Jose f***ing Hernandez and Boy-Wonder for essentially those big 3. So, like I said...you never know.

No. Shannon Stewart is not the key to their offense, let alone their team. They don't want to have him out, but losing him is not like us losing Maggs. They have Hunter, Jones, and Ford who can all play OF, so they are not missing a beat with this loss. That's what makes the Twins so good is the depth of their team. They are in a position where losing 3 players will not kill them or losing 5 players will not end their season. They do not have one key guy who propels their team. This is much unlike the Cubs, who are powered by their rotation and when their rotation isn't 100%, neither are they. This is also much unlike that other Chicago team(the name isn't coming to me... ), where if we lose say Maggs or Loaiza or Frank, we are done. Period.

LMAO, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

FWIW, Eck's ERA from 1988 to 1997(his 10 full years as a closer) was roughly 2.40(I figured it to be exactly 200 ER in 750 IP)

TJ surgery is not the end of the road for any pitchers. AJ Brunett had TJ surgery last year, and he was hitting 98 in a rehab assignment the other day. He still could have a bright future. He needs to just harness his s*** and use it to the best of his ability. I still see him as a reliever in the end.

LMAO, no I was talking about an offseason article that Koch did an interview for. He basically said that when he moved to Chicago, he put some gargoyle or gnome like things up in the wrong spot and it cursed his year. It was just Bill pulling some s***. It is definately good to see him doing better though. That 1-2-3 inning against a good offense is a hell of a start for future success. I highly doubt he earns his $6 mill...in other words, I doubt he puts up $6 mill numbers...but if he can get s*** together, I'll be happy. I've wanted his ass out of here for quite some time...if he can serve me crow, I'll eat it with pleasure.

Or atleast you don't suffer that big of a drop in velocity. He was hitting mid-90s in 2002, and then he suddenly loses it? That's not right. The only other explanation is, of course, if he had gnomes in the wrong spot. Well, that's what Billy Koch thought apparently(atleast it looks like maybe that is what caused it...who knows)

Simon, Ramirez, and Lofton were not going to help the Pirates win a division any time soon. They probably could have gotten more, but didn't. So be it. How much pitching, which was the main drive of the Cubs run, did they get from the Pirates? My point exactly. I thought everyone knew that Regardless, Beltran would only help a streaky offense hopefully become more consistent. There are reasons people are talking about getting Schmidt/Garcia types too. So they make a list of 5-10 prospects who are untouchable, and they only deal those who are available. Seems simple enough to me. Perhaps Sweeney, Anderson, Munoz, Reed, and Honel, along with possibly another two or three, are untradeable unless we can somehow get a Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, Mark Prior type pitcher, or if we can somehow get Barry Bonds. I think we all know the odds of getting those types of players. They have no starting pitching, and a weak-ass bullpen. They are suffering what the 2001, 2002, and 2003 Rangers suffered. You can score 7 runs, but if you give up 8, you still lose. I said it in the second week of the season, and I suppose I'll say it again...the Royals are done. They are proving day in and day out that 2003 was a huge fluke, and that they have not been able to catch lightning in a bottle in that rotation. Most of their good starters from last year are gone...Lima's in LA, Hernandez and Ascencio are DLing it, Appier is hanging with Hernandez and Ascencio on the DL, and thus far, May and Anderson have sucked ass. It would take one hell of a run for them to get back into the race. And I don't see the one move that puts them over the top. They need about 2 or 3 good starters and some major bullpen depth. It will cost quite a bit to get that. I don't see them doing it. You consider us and, realistically, we could be one or two moves away from going over the top and running away with the division. Get us an ace(or at the very, very, very least, a solid #2 or #3 starter) and a LH bat, and we could be off to the races. Do not get me wrong...in no way do I want to overpay for Beltran. But if we can get him for relatively cheap(ala Rauch and Diaz) I do it in a heartbeat. I assume they'd want a hell of a lot more then that, but you never know.

How many World Series games has Freddy Garcia been in? How many 18 win seasons does Freddy Garcia have in the past 2 or 3 years? Schmidt is worth it, assuming he can stay healthy. And if you get him for a good enough price, his health is worth the risk too.

OK, so I lied.

I think I've agreed with everything Crimson and Mr. Zero have said this thread. That being said...I won't get in the argument. No need. I could care less about NASCAR, and I think dodgeball is more of a sport then NASCAR. So I've said enough.

Yeah, I do recall that. They were lining up and Caray would just randomly point the stick at someone and they would tell a story. That was funny ass s***

Exactly, look where they are. They didn't want Ramirez, they didn't need Lofton, and they got Randall Simon back anyways. They got some solid players out of the deal too(most notably, boy-wonder Bobby Hill) People don't understand this. The Royals are willing to trade Carlos Beltran to ANY team. If any team should be concerned about giving up players, it should be the Sox(assuming we couldn't retain him, and I feel that's a good assumption). We are the ones giving up the prospects who will hurt us in the future. Losing Beltran hurts the Royals now, but I don't see how much worse it could get for them, and it doesn't exactly hurt them in the long run. They're like 10 games out of first as it is. Personally, I am willing to give up the "future" to the Royals. Odds are good that we'll win the deal anyways, especially if Beltran could do some damage for us and help us get to the postseason.