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QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:58 AM) It's too early for me to be reading sarcasm!!! Serious question I've been thinking about: can we, in good conscience, consider the Big Hurt a WS winner? I do. He only played 1 month, but I really think the Sox needed his bat during that stretch of time or they would have fallen apart.

That's neat. You think of baseball as almost an easier game because of all the players quitting due to the violence in football, but it's just as hard, if not harder, on the body as a whole. Cardenas is definitely not the first guy to walk away. This piece reminds me of Grant Desme too. He was looking like a monster power prospect for the A's before he retired to become a priest.

QUOTE (Jake @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:44 AM) Big Jim in high, medium, and low leverage situations had negligibly different production numbers. 117 wRC+ in high leverage is pretty damn impressive considering how much more likely he was to see a LHP in those situations. In all postseason games before turning 37, Jim posted an .842 OPS over 55 games with 17 dingers. His overall postseason numbers are heavily skewed by bad performances at ages 37, 40, and 42. At age 42, he went 0 for 16. I won't hold it against him that he stayed in the game a little too long. I do hope you know I was playing contrarian regarding Thome and TWTW. People had the same thoughts about Thome during his time here as they do about Dunn now. I absolutely loved when Thome was here.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:29 AM) It's funny that you mention AJP in there. He's now been part of two consecutive September collapses. I guess his TWTW is broken. He was apart of one in 2006, very nearly 2008, and 2010 too.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:27 AM) And I believe that was his 500th. Yesssss

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 07:23 AM) I just like mentioning that the Cubs gave Edwin Jackson $52 million. They actually paid him $19 million last year. $8 million signing bonus and $11 mill salary.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 31, 2013 -> 02:29 AM) The statniks will get mad at this, but TWTW is important. Aaron Rowand had it, and a lot of people think he was a horrible big league starter and ridicule him. Other important TWTW people in Sox history: Thome, AJP, Buehrle, Fisk off the top of my head. TATBG - the ability to be good - is far more important than TWTW. If you give me the choice between taking 25 players who "just want to win" and 25 players "who are very good at baseball," I am going to take the 25 "who are very good at baseball." I'm also not sure why you put Thome in this fabled TWTW category since, by all accounts, he was an incredibly unclutch and bad player late in games. Pretty sure he only had 1 walk-off homer during his entire tenure with the Sox.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:06 PM) But that's what the Cubs did last offseason. Don't ignore their biggest move in your argument. He quite clearly stated he wanted to sign guys to 1 year deals. Forget that he said "something the Cubs did" and look at it like that if you have to.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:15 PM) And why would it be considered lucky if Sale got guys out their 3rd and 4th crack against them? Seems to me the odds of them not making an out or less than 3 in 10. You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say Sale would be lucky to get guys out then. I said he's clearly and visibly worse. The only time I've used the word lucky was in reference to the White Sox throwing 4 complete games in a row in the 2005 ALCS. Stop this arguing to argue bulls***. If you feel the need to get the last word in, by all means, you can go right ahead, but I'm done posting in this thread because it's absurd to continue.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 04:29 PM) Locker or Foles during Peytons bye? Locker

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 04:15 PM) Awesome site, thanks for the tip. I'll be wasting a lot of my time there. Ortiz is a guy I'll be following very closely. Outside of Danish, he and Olacio have perhaps the greatest upside of our lower minors arms. Very projectionificable. And this is my new favorite word

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:42 PM) LOL, such as.....??? Take more walks? Oh wait, Parra does that better. Strike out less?? Oh wait, Parra does that better. Hit for average? Oh wait, that's Parra too. Get on base? Nope, still Parra. How about play defense. Naaaah, Parra again. How about hit homeruns? Nope. How about hit doubles? Oh wait, no. Maybe he has a better throwing arm? Nope. How about hit triples? HEY THERE IT IS!! Steal bases? Yes! That's two! So yeah, Bourjos can do "LITERALLY" everything Parra can do, and better......except he can't. Oh wait, he does hit triples at a higher rate, and he's a better baserunner. Oh, and Bourjos is right handed, while Parra is a lefty, and we all know how this team is dying for right-handed hitters, so I guess ya got me there. Settle down. I was talking defensively, but misremembered and overestimated Bourjos's arm strength. Parra is better offensively, I've never questioned that, but he's also not available and, if he were available, would be way more expensive. Maybe you missed my first post on that in this thread. Bourjos is easily the better defender. Parra is above average in CF while Bourjos, as I've said about 15 times in this thread, has the ability to be the best defensive CF in the majors. About the one guy I can think of who may have better range is Carlos Gomez, and that's debatable.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:19 PM) I would definitely be on board with a Beckham and Danks for Lawrie +. I wouldn't know what the plus would be. Lesser prospects? Plus nothing. If the Jays eat all that salary and are still willing to give Lawrie, you take it and run with it.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:15 PM) Lawrie-Ramirez-Semien-Abreu That's an infield I can get on board with for 2014. Sign McCann and call it an offseason.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 02:08 PM) You do know that I was just busting your balls right? Phones can do THAT now too?

Nice find, this is really cool. Looking at Braulio Ortiz, he needs to get his body more involved and to drive with his legs more. He has decent looking throwing mechanics, and he may get some run on his ball because of that arm snap, but it looks like he is using too much arm.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 01:52 PM) Yeah, De Aza is not a replacement level starter, he's coming off a 2.7 WAR season, which was the second highest total on our team (among position players). No idea why people are so anxious to hang the brunt of those 99 losses on De Aza. Almost every other player on our team was worse. Selective memory. De Aza strikes out/drops ball/misreads flyball/gets caught stealing and he's the worst player on the team.

#1) De Aza had a better year in 2012 too, and he will absolutely be worth $3-4 million. There are arguments to be made that he's worth $8-10 mill. #2) De Aza was at the press conference yesterday. Why, I'm uncertain, but it could be that he knows Abreu too. #3) Agree on Bourjos. I love him. I also don't see the upside of Conger. He's in the same boat as Flowers, except that he put up his minor league numbers in a very offense friendly environment. If the Sox acquire him, it better for a PTBNL sort of situation, not one where he holds substantial value.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 11:39 AM) Eric Wedge is getting another interview for MGR Didn't he just quit for health problems?

QUOTE (glangon @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:28 AM) If you take away average, the stats in the minors are not that much different. Danks with regular playing time at the end of last season was hitting consistantly and does have a sweet throwing arm. Interesting how you post Bourjous peak in the minors but not Danks, for the argument sake - in 2012 for AAA Charlotte Jordan Danks hit .317/.428/.514/.942 Every stat there is better than Bourjous peak season in the minors. What this comes down to is that you are arguing about trading away our 3rd / 4th rotation pitcher for a player who is not much better than our projected OF back up in 2014. I don't see how that has value long term. I would want better than that if I'm trading away Santiago. I definitely wouldn't trade Q for Bourjous. As previous posters have said, we may have one shot at trading away a starting pitcher, I wouldn't want to waste it on Bourjous. As I stated, Bourjos never repeated a level in the minors. He also showed great contact rates throughout. Danks struck out a ton and when Danks put up that line, it was his 3rd go around in AAA. I sure as hell hope by that point he's figured out AAA pitching. What it comes down to is that I'm arguing about a potential All-Star player who could be the best defensive outfielder in the majors compared to a AAAA platoon player who strikes out too much who would be an afterthought if his brother weren't pitching for the White Sox. I'm not saying I would necessarily trade Santiago, though I would consider it. I'm just saying that I want Bourjos.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) The Sox are only going to get one chance to trade a SP and they have to find a better return than Bourjos. I seriously think they can get Bourjos with Snodgress/Beck plus Petricka

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 09:32 AM) Not the Cuban Tank, But the Cuban FRANK... Get it... because he'll be as dominate as Frank Thomas was. .......... My work here is done. Also, frank is another word for weiner which means it also means Cuban PENIS. Sign me up dude.

In the minors, Bourjos was a .291/.345/.455/.799 hitter. He never repeated a level, peaking at .303/.357/.493/.850 in AAA. In the minors, Danks was a .267/.354/.423/.777 hitter. He was in his 4th season in AAA when the Sox called him up last year. Bourjos is also a far, far better defender. Danks is generally rated as average to above average. Bourjos is rated incredible to best defensive outfielder in the game. Yes, I would give up valuable pieces for Bourjos, not a doubt in my mind. He'd be a terrible leadoff hitter, but anywhere between 7th and 9th in the order would be awesome. He has the ceiling of an All-Star player.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 08:55 AM) Hah, I know you're joking, but I'll make myself clear. Normal people don't give this much of a s*** about phones. Oh god no. I have SnapChat and I can look at the internet while also being able to access email, texts, and make outbound calls. Also, The Chive. It does everything I'd ever need it to.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 30, 2013 -> 08:45 AM) Ugh, that is the point, my young padawan... He should be figuring out ways to get chicks with his phone? s***, that's easy, just take dick pics "I call this one 'The Majestic Swan.'"