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QUOTE (Soha @ Dec 2, 2017 -> 09:03 PM) I agree with this. The over-rating of BABIP by some people here is just ridiculous. It's a useful stat, but it only tells a small part of the story. Personally I like Avi's chances of hitting .300 again next year. He doesn't need to hit .330 to be a big asset. It tells more than a small part of the story. The last time someone ran a BABIP as high as Avisail's was Chris Johnson in 2013. He finished with the 5th highest batting average at .321. His career average was .275. Garcia made legitimate changes to his game for the best, but to suggest that much of his season last year was not derived from incredible batted ball luck is frankly ignorant. It's probably safe to figure him as a 2 WAR player unless the power starts to blossom, because he will not be running a .392 BABIP again. It takes approximately 800 balls in play to figure statistical significance of BABIP for a hitter. Garcia put 389 balls in play last year. He didn't even reach the halfway point of statistical significance. There is nothing you can determine by his BABIP last year, and we might not discover anything till the end of next season.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 2, 2017 -> 01:02 PM) Non-White Sox fans find our franchise boring, forgettable, and irrelevant all the time. That is the unfortunate by-product of years and years of losing and the infrequency of appearing in the postseason. It also underscores the importance of the rebuild, because that is the only hope at the moment of reversing that mindset if a sustainable winning ballclub emerges from those efforts. If you say so, it must be true.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 04:24 PM) I think there is a fair argument to have him ranked number 1. I go back and forth but I'd probably have Eloy by a hair at the moment. I just don't agree with your guys' floor and ceiling theory. I think relative to their position they have the same floor and ceiling as each other. Well I think you could also make an argument that Eloy has the potential to be the most valuable hitter in the league. It's just hard for me personally to say "x minor league hitter could be an MVP" because hitters stats are so less quantitative, at least until we get more BatF/X data from the minors. I know how hard a guy throws and his K/9 and BB/9, those things are easy to draw semi-logical conclusions. With hitters, it's harder, because a .330/.420/.550 line in the minors, even across 3 different leagues, could mean different things. I saw a recent comparison of Eloy to Giancarlo Stanton by a respected analyst. With his power, that is not an unrealistic comparison, and Stanton is a pretty incredible hitter. There have also been plenty of huge power bats that didn't produce, and plenty of power bats who took years to develop. In 2005, as a 22 year old in AAA, Edwin Encarnacion hit .314/.388/.548/.936 with great peripherals. He then proceeded to be pretty OK for the first 7 years of his career before he finally broke out. That is a possibility for Eloy too. Anything is possible, it's just hard to say at this point. I'm just glad the Sox have him.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) I respect both of you guys a lot as posters but to be honest, I don't agree with any of this either. EDIT: Outside of the injury nugget. You have Kopech #1?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:42 PM) Kopech has a higher ceiling, but Eloy has the higher floor and is generally a much safer player. I don’t see much of an argument for Kopech right now unless you’re going off upside. And I say this as someone who believes he’s the best pitching prospect in baseball. I think that's the argument you make. Kopech could arguably be the best pitcher in the majors at some point. But really, Kopech's worst case scenario is that of a middle reliever*, being unable to consistently harness his control as a starter and proving ineffective, so I think you'd say his FV's range between 40/45 and 70. With Eloy, you're probably looking at a guy who has a chance to be among the most dangerous hitters in the league, but his worst case scenario is probably, what, average to slightly above average outfielder? So say his range is 50 to 65. You absolutely feel really safe about Eloy. And that's not including injuries. Pitchers end up getting TJ all the time anymore. That kills a full year of service time. Unless it's something terribly catastrophic (or, if you are Charlie Tilson, stepping out of your car), long-term injuries just don't seem to happen a lot, especially if said players keep in good shape. *- noting that, yes, there are injuries that can happen to any given player that can ruin their careers, but those are not to be expected

I could understand an argument being made for Kopech. His command improved as the season went on and you are talking about 3 plus pitches, including a plus plus fastball, and he's going to start in AAA. He has legitimate ace potential. I would still go with Eloy as my #1, but Kopech is also probably the top pitching prospect in all of baseball too.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) I obviously could be wrong but I don't think we have any intention of actually trading Jose. Now I'm sure Rick is asking around to see if he can get a Devers out of someone but he knows that's not going to happen and unless it did than Jose stays. Just my opinion. Kind of how I feel too, which is how I felt last offseason as well. Abreu is about a 3 WAR player but is valued by the Sox as a 5 WAR player. Unless some team wants to pony up, the Sox are not going to be in any rush to move him.

As I recall, Billy Wagner was a righty when he was young, broke his arm, and started throwing left handed. I also had a buddy in high school who was a natural righty but threw around 75-80 MPH right handed and 80-85 left handed. He just had absolutely no control from the left side.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) Can't argue with what Hahn is doing here. Jose has value right now. Jose is historically a slow starter. You don't wait until the deadline when his value is low due to the predictable crap ass start to the season. Jose's value is higher now than it will ever be again IMO. Ship him out of here and see what type of return you can get. Everyone has a price. He should be listening to teams on Moncada and Kopech and Eloy too.

I'm pretty sure I saw where Rick Hahn himself said that he didn't think the team would be super competitive in 2019. It doesn't mean they won't be active in free agency come 2018-19, but that he feels 2020 is when everything will really come together.

Is Eloy the besss, da besss, or some combination of the two?

What a time to be alive - Eminor is defending Avisail Garcia.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) Why. I fully expect Jose to be traded after reading Dick Allen's comments from the Hahn speech. Jose is gone as is Avi. Sox obviously don't care. Hahn is out to get that payroll down to the lowest imaginable then allegedly use that money when it's time. Modern baseball. The only time in history teams are glad to get rid of players who are beloved and has THIS KIND of proven production. It used to be you'd keep such stars til they decided to retire. Bye Jose and thanks for these numbers. 2014: .317, 36 HR, 107 RBI, .383 OBP, .581 SLG 2015: .290, 30 HR, 101 RBI, .347 OBP, .502 SLG 2016: .293. 25 HR, 100 RBI, .353 OBP, .468 SLG 2017: .304, 33 HR, 102 RBI, .354 OBP, .552 SLG. Should be interesting to see what positions they target in this deal and Avi deal. Seems to me they already have a lot of outfield candidates especially with Robert and Eloy occupying two slots for many years in theory. My guess is they go for catcher, shortstop (upgrade from Tim is possible), and pile up more pitching. Look for catchers, shortstops and pitchers in teams organizations and that's who Abreu and Avi will be dealt for. You could say 3B as well but if that's the case why did they draft Burger? I guess they could stockpile another there and eventually release or trade my man, Davidson.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 06:36 PM) Ohtani's questionnaire to interested teams: https://www.instagram.com/p/BcAN44IDa_4/ Honestly these are all things we excel at no? especially medicals Is that Ohtani's actual questionnaire or something that the people at MLB Network came up with as regards to an outline as to what Ohtani may be asking for? Because it seems more like the latter.

He seems like the kind of guy that the Royals will splurge on. Their system is s*** and they feel they can still compete, so I see them selling out for one last gasp, especially if they are able to retain Moustakas.

QUOTE (Tony @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 04:38 PM) Every year is a down year for Abreu according to ron I really am surprised they haven't DFA'd him yet.

He probably would, but that's a bad use of Abreu's value IMO. Bradley's a good player, but it just doesn't seem like a good fit for the team right now.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 03:34 PM) You don't chance abreu having a down year and hurting his trade value. Trade him for prospects if the to t it deal comes. Rockies aren't trading rodgers for Abreu LOL. Some people overvalue him around here. Two prospects in the 50-100 range or a top 100 and 2-3 decent prospects if possible. During Jose Abreu's worst year as a pro, he put up a 120 wRC+. Abreu having a down year would be an incredibly surprising development.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) The Giants would be taking on somewhere around $335 to $350 million in future obligations on the top end. And that's why it's not a good idea. It will never be about the prospects, because the Sox won't really be trading anyone within even their top 15.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) Craig MishVerified account @CraigMish Source : Giants/Marlins names exchanged in potential Stanton deal : (SF) 2B Joe Panik, Top Prospects SP Tyler Beede & OF Chris Shaw. (Mia) Stanton & 2B Dee Gordon. White Sox equivalent is about Yolmer Sanchez, Carson Fulmer, and Nicky Delmonico.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Nov 16, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) Chicago White Sox @whitesox 1m The #WhiteSox have acquired minor-league pitcher Thyago Vieira from the Seattle Mariners in exchange for international signing bonus pool money. Pitched one game for the Mariners this year. Velocity was 99.

QUOTE (ChiSox1917 @ Nov 14, 2017 -> 06:33 PM) He's Jim Edmonds to me. And Jim didn't last a single year on the ballot (which was BS, but still). Edmonds absolutely should be a Hall of Famer too. Among all hitters, Edmonds has the 90th highest career WAR, which means you can safely say he was probably one of the 100 best non-pitchers of all time. That deserves a place in the Hall.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) This exact question was brought up in a q and a I was at in September, and I did report he answered it just like he answered here. I would imagine if there was a spot and he was dirt cheap, they would have no problem bringing him back. But they aren't going to pay him even what they paid Holland last year. This pretty much hits the nail on the head.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) James Fegan‏ @JRFegan 21h21 hours ago Hahn was asked about a Melky reunion: "Nothing's out of the question on any reasonable price. Melky was extremely popular in our clubhouse. A great guy to have around. I don't want to speculate on what his market will be but we haven't closed the doors on any possibility." Yeah, that's a no

Beltran is a no-brainer for me.