Soxplosion

This is a really good move. Yes he didnt do well for the Rockies last year but who does? Look how he did for the Cardinals. That is how we should really judge him. This is a great move. Kenny has made our weakness our strength, I think.

And in KW's view, that was offering our ace the same as last year's contract, in the $300,000 range. Oh, and with a $10,000 bonus if MB win AL MVP. If those are the numbers, then that is f***ing pathetic. How could you blame Buehrle if that is the case? I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced that those are the numbers. That may be what they ended up paying him when he didn't accept the contract offer but I'm not convinced that is what the offer was. Not that pissing off Buehrle this way two years in a row isn't moronic all in itself but I do think there are two sides here. Having said that, theoldroman is a deush-bag. let theoldroman alone for pete sake. enuf. are we going to turn like the other site who just attack someone who has a difference of opinion. i change my opinion and soooo does others, so what. Well event ho I have apologized, I still thank you for your support. Thanks ldf...

same numbers as last year plus the $10,000 MVP bonus, and last years number was $300,000 something, not sure of the exact amount at the moment but someone will know Kenny, you gotta do better than this. But, wait a sec, shouldnt JR be the culprit? Hes the one who controls the money, not Kenny. Kenny offered MB what he had and he the little he had due to JRs stinginess. I dont like JR at all and if he loses MB, while all yall are protesting at KWs house Im gonna be at Jerrys place!

Well, Im gonna admit it. I acted like friggin Bobby Knight today. Its exam week and theres a lot of crap to do which is a real pain in the butt. So I was in a bad mood when I got home and I saw all this anti KW talk on here and I flipped. Honestly I have been favoring KW since the Colon trade and with good reason. So even tho I like Buehrle I just flipped. I didnt like seeing everyone bash Kenny. I really do like Mark but when I read about how he was offered seven million over 3 years I couldnt handle it. Is what cwsox said about the contract, 300000 with a 10000 AS bonus, really true? If it is, for a pitcher like Mark, I must say that was rather stingy of KW. But I wont trun my back on KW, I just hope hell do better and sign MB (actually, Kenny has been doing quite well lately, just resigning Buehrle and Colon would make it complete). So, again, i apologize for my actions today...

To be honest, Im not sure I detest Robin for leaving. Same with Mark. There are just certain players who I dont like for no particular reason and Mark and Robin just happen to be one of them. Same thing with people not liking Ray Durham and Jose Valentin. I like both of these players but other dont for no real reason at all...

Then, if you wish, let me say that MB has completely disrespected this team by this little Cardinals stunt and now this thread is over. You can go on detesting KW and Ill go on detesting Buehrle and well all live in peace. Deal? how does being a town a celeberty disrespect anything by doing something for chairity... you are a jackass...........im sure if you were in a position to be on the recieving end of chairity you f*** face then you would be very appreciative of whos doing the fund raising wouldnt you, you little piece of scrotum scum..........you go on and kiss the very ass on kw's shoulders ok you little f***ing lip puckering vagina wart......and go on and detest the only player who kept us out of the cellar for the past two years while making s*** for a salary when the big hitters and money makers were sitting on their collective asses whinning about everything.. you pice of flee dung.........and while your at it just on ok.. go on and on and hopefully you will go so far youll be gone from here... fans like you are just like enemies we dont need anymore........f***ING MORON............. Could we please just end this thread? I detest Buehrle and side with KW. You detest KW and side with Buehrle. We all have our opinions, this is mine. And, btw, I give to charity. So Im not gonna honor him for doing so as well. Nor am I going to honor myself. And did he actually donate some of his meager salary or did he just show up? You can show up and give nothing, which could have been what he did.

Then, if you wish, let me say that MB has completely disrespected this team by this little Cardinals stunt and now this thread is over. You can go on detesting KW and Ill go on detesting Buehrle and well all live in peace. Deal?

You fail to realize that JR has been insulting Sox players and FANS for 20+ years now. Youre right but I never mentioned what I thought of JR. I dont like him. I hope he sells the team. What I said is that I like Kenny and what hes done, not what JR has done... If you're talking about MB, KW, and salary, then you have to talk about JR. There's no way around it. Well, then, thats what I have to say about JR. Maybe he is the one to blame. Maybe he didnt give enough money to KW so that KW could make a good enough offer to Buehrle. So then it would be his fault, not Kennys. The main point I wish to make is that I like KW for what hes done for this organization and I detest Buehrle for the disrespect and disloyalty hes shown this organization. And if you wish to include Jerry in all of this I detest him too...

Yep, hes on the agenda of players who are going to appear at the Cards version of Soxfest. That would be like Edgar Renteria showing up at Soxfest. Its disloyalty and disrespect. KW has to make an example out of Buehrle to show him that such follishness will not be tolerated!

You fail to realize that JR has been insulting Sox players and FANS for 20+ years now. Youre right but I never mentioned what I thought of JR. I dont like him. I hope he sells the team. What I said is that I like Kenny and what hes done, not what JR has done...

That is a good point. Wow, you kind of have me pinned down with that one. But it really doesnt matter. MB has lost all his respect from me. And let me tell you the truth. I dont think I truly dislike him because of the money, I dislike this whole thing about going to the Cardinals meeting. That is disrespect and disloyalty in my opinion...

(1) So you're suggesting that all MLB players should basically take whatever the team offers? I mean, the MLB minimum salary is $300,000 per year - who couldn't live off of that? I'm sure you'd be glad to play baseball for $300,000 per year, and so would I. Under your logic, if the Sox had offered Buehrle $500,000 per year, he should have taken that - because, after all, "what kind of person can't live off of that" and just getting the opportunity to pitch in Yankee Stadium should be enough reward for him. You're living in la la land. Why should Buehrle accept $7 million over three years, when players in similar circumstances (i.e., Sabathia, Hudson, Mulder and Zito) have ALL received MORE than that? Buehrle will almost certainly earn more than $7 million between now and '06 (his last year before free agency). He's taking the chance that he'll remain healthy and effective in the interim. But you can't blame him for not signing a deal that is worth less than what C.C. Sabathia is getting, particularly when he'll be able to earn more through arbitration. (2) As to Ventura (and others) who have left because of money, there are a few things you're failing to take into account. First, you don't know why Ventura left. The fact is, the Mets were wining and dining him, telling him how much they wanted him, how they were committed to winning, how they viewed him as a cornerstone for the future, etc., etc. The Sox, on the other hand, basically made it known that they didn't really want him back; they made a last minute, low-ball offer for PR purposes only. So gee, which would you take, the offer from a team that truly wants you and offers more money, or the team that doesn't really want you and low-balled you? Kind of hard to blame Ventura for that choice. (3) So, do you think Colon will agree to extend his stay with the Sox for 2 years and $7 million? After all, that's more money than you or I will earn in a lifetime. Surely Colon (unlike the evil Mark Buehrle) will see that, and sign for whatever we offer. Sheesh - give me a break. You can detest any player who leaves for more money, but you're kidding yourself if don't think that virtually every player on the roster (and every player on every team in the majors) wouldn't do the same thing. (4) Apparently, you would be of a completely different opinion if Buehrle had won 20 games instead of 19? How does that make any sense? That one win would someone entitle him to riches and spoils, but 19 wins and 239 IP doesn't? The difference between 19 and 20 wins is immaterial - if the bullpen had protected one more lead for him he would have won 20. Who cares? (5) I agree with you about the Cardinals' meeting he is attending. That is bush league, in my opinion. But it may be a bargaining/PR ploy more than anything else. Putting the pressure on KW. But it doesn't really have any effect on the current situation; even the offer KW made to Buehrle would have only gone through '05, so its not like it would have extended his stay or put off his free agency if he had accepted. (6) Colon and Buehrle are pretty comparable, if you ask me. You are clearly basing your opinion that Colon is better based strictly upon your personal feelings about Buehrle. Hopefully, KW doesn't follow your lead, and makes his decisions based upon facts and reasonable analysis, and not knee-jerk, emotional bias. (7) Why would Buehrle struggle because he's thinking about $ this year? The Sox screwed him over last year with respect to $, and he was awesome again in '02. No reason to think '03 will be any different. (8) Buehrle has won 35 games over the last two years, posted sub- 3.60 ERAs in each of those years, hasn't missed a start, has pitched tons of innings, and has come up big in big games. In short, he has done everything we could have hoped for. And he's only 23 years old. To suggest that he "is not as good as we all think" is absurd; he's one of the top 2 or 3 lefthanded starters in the AL and has many great years in front of him. For you to claim otherwise is absurd and, again, based upon nothing but your personal dislike of him. You're ruining your credibility with statements like that. 1) Buehrle plays a game and gets millions of dollars a year. My mom is a doctor and she gets like 100,000 dollars a year. Thats still good money, but think about it. Doctors, firefighter and cops save lives and in the case of firefighters and cops, risk theirs, and then they get crap money. Buehrle plays a game, without risking his life or saving someone elses, and they turn him into a millionaire. Thats just a problem with entertainment. They get the big bucks while the real important people like doctors, firefighters and cops get next to nothing compared to them. 2) So he did get insulted, but wasnt he still making enough money? 3) Jose Valentin is one player who I think should get more respect. He is the one player who would prove you wrong. He coulda gone to Baltimore for a much better contract but he stayed here. That shows Kenny some respect and I hope the next time Jose hits the negotiating table KW returns that respect. 4) 20 is a landmark. By getting there you guarantee yourself more money. In Kennys eyes MB must have failed and therefore didnt deserve the extra bucks. 5) So maybe it has no effect on the situation but its still disrespect! Once, I got mad and threw a nickel at some kids head. He didnt get hurt but he was still pissed simply because thats disrespect. KWs the one here who should be pissed, not Mark. 6) Colon was 20-8 with like a 2.93 ERA while Buehrle was 19-12 with a 3.58 ERA. Colon is much better just by the stats. 7) He dropped off considerably last year in ERA. What if that happens again? His ERA will be like 3.90, which is unacceptable for someone whos supposed to be our ace. 8) So maybe I was wrong on the last point but my opinion of Buehrle is not going to change. And cw, how much was he offered? Somewhere, I heard 7 million for three years, then I heard 5 million over an unknown period of time from Mr Showtime and then I hear 300,000 from you. Could you please explain the basis of the offer?

Colon is better than he is. Garland, Rauch and maybe even Wright have the potential to be better than him. Why should he be paid five million dollars when he says hes going to another teams team party? 5 million is enough, and for taking a step back, his salary shouldnt definitely should not be going up. He is not happy here, let him go somewhere where he is happy. Colon likes it here, and I like him for that. I like people who like my team. I dont like people who insult it like MB has. And besides, you might as well side with KW because hes in charge whether we like him or not and what he wants to do shall be done. I like him for what hes done for the team so this isnt a problem for me but it is for you. The only alternative to escape KWs control, if you dont like him, is to root for another team. As much as some of you may like it, KW is not leaving and he wont be fired so I guess everyone is gonna have to live with it, unless you resort to violence...

When KW made the Colon deal it was absolutely what I desired and I promised to myself that Id stick to KWs side this time and now, even with what he did to Mark, Im gonna live up to that promise. KW isnt doing anything wrong by offering MB 7 million over 3 years. Thats over 2 million a year, what kind of person cant live off of that? Over my years as a Sox fan I have come to detest players who wish to leave on the basis of money. 2004 (edit) will come and Buehrle will leave and join the likes of Robin Ventura. Anyone who knows me from mlb.com knows that I detest Ventura for leaving. Maybe my reasoning for all this is that I would do what Buehrles doing for free. I love baseball and its a sport and a game to me. For people like Buehrle, it has becme a business. To me, just getting to pitch one pitch in a place like Yankee Stadium or Comiskey Park would be priceless. It should be like that to Buehrle too. But he forgot about that a long time ago. And, again, isnt 2 million a year enough? If Buehrle had won twenty I woulda been with the rest of you in that he deserves more money. But he didnt so he really doesnt stand out or anything. In fact, his winning percentage was almost the same in 2002 as it was in 2001 and his ERA was down drastically. He stepped down a notch, so why should salary go up? It shouldnt. And then Buehrle is going to show up at the Cardinals version of Soxfest. Can we take such grand disloyalty? No! If he wants to go to their party, let em have him. What kind of bulls*** is this? Thats an insult to KW and the Sox organization right there. Hed be lucky to have me offer him jacks*** if he pulled such a stunt on me. As for whos the number one starter, KW should order Manuel to give that job to Colon. Colon has only indicated that he likes it here while Buehrle obviously does not. Colon is also the better pitcher by a long shot. And with the whole money problem dangling in his face, I see Buehrle struggling this year. All hell be thinking about is the dough but then hell get slaughtered when the season starts. Either way, I think Colon IS a better pitcher and that Garland, Rauch and MAYBE Wright, WILL BE better pitchers. Buehrle is not as good as we all think. Let him go Kenny, he obviously doesnt like it here. Just let him go, well be fine. Buehrle, you make me puke... (Edit: I apologize if this money offer is wrong, thats just what I heard, now I am hearing reports of 5 million, which is still plenty...)

I was about to come on and tell you how doubtful I was about this but now I think it might happen. Heres my theory: -KW signed Alomar with the foresight that he was gonna get Colon but if he didnt get Colon Alomars still cheap. But hes too injury riddled to to be a fulltime catcher anymore. -When KW got Colon he knew that Alomar would only catch Colon and that hed sign IRod to catch the rest. But whatever happens, I think Alomars only going to catch Colon and IRod or Olivo will do the rest...

It was really cool today. I went about three whole days (in the game, which is like 50 minutes) without getting busted or wasted and during that time I stole a helicopter which I took to the golf course where I stole a golf cart which I rode all over the city. It was pretty cool...

I don't agree with that. I always thought of him as rather exciting in the field, as in every fly ball is an adventure. I remember one As game this year that we ended up winning and Carlos made the greatest play. With one out, a man on first, us up by one and the As Carlos Pena at the plate, he launched one deep to left and Carlos ran back jumped at the wall and robbed a homerun. That was awesome!

I think Colon is going to be great. He seems to have a great attitude and his weight is also down. I hope he does great and then Kenny and him agree on a longterm extension. I wouldnt be surprised at all to see him here in 2004, from what Ive read he seems to like it. I also hope Kenny signs Buehrle. Then we would be complete...

Well, I have XBox. I only play GTA when I go to my friends house and hes only borrowing it from this one kid I dont really hang out with anymore. But how do you change clothes? Well, what I usually do is get out of the car and run because they shoot out my tires or they keep cuttin me off so I run. I run for a little ways and carjack another car but sooner or later they always bust me. I dont do the missions. I just drive around like a maniac which is why Im always being chased. BTW, that is a pretty funny story. I laughed so hard my brother wanted to know what happened...

The six fingered freak? Wha? Thats a joke, right? Could you explain this please...

Fine, will you let me reword myself? I asked you how to act politely, now you could do the same for wsc. Try to tell him how to act, just dont do it while making him feel like s***. OK?

Im not fired up at all. I dont support any of this nonsense fighting. We are all Sox fans! Cant we all just get along?

He can be a dumbass all he wants. Thats his right. You cant call him out on that and insult him tho... That was the dumbest, most hypocrytical statement ever. No longer will I call him a dumbass because you have stolen his title. First of all, I have the right to say what I want here, thats what makes this board NOT WSI. Second, how can you say something as stupid as "you have no right to call him out" because I am telling him he is dumbass. Then you sit here, and call me out and tell me how to act? Makes a ton of sense. Please don't talk, it's not helping you. Im calling you out politely. You are calling wsc out and treating him like s***. You coud say "Hey wsc, please be quiet. Can you please stop posting the same thing over and over?" That would be totally acceptable. So just give it a shot man...

He can be a dumbass all he wants. Thats his right. You cant call him out on that and insult him tho...

Billy Koch, it seems good...yes not a pitch yet, but like Wills says, Foulke only throws two pitches...on my OPINION that is a positive David Wells Trade-My mistake, neutral, I typed this up fast... Julio Ramirez and Amaury Garcia-Neither of the guys we got or the guys we traded are in the organization for both teams Frank Thomas signing-well it is positive because the guy COMING back, but yes, I thought KW made this deal...not JR...sorry on that one Todd Ritchie-Negative-no question here Willie Harris Trade-Neutral, nothing has been shown yet and the preacher a.k.a. singleton is out of baltimore Royce Clayton-I only said neutral because nothing was shown for either team, change to negative.. Kenny Lofton-Positive no doubt Bartolo Colon-get the picture, everyone Sandy Alomar-Neutral-we still got him back D'Angelo Jimenez-Positive-I talk to scouts from the Sun-Times, they like this guy, I like this guy, yet not alot has been proven. Herbert Perry-Negative-Milk Man is gone...bad trade...bad trade. Ray Durham-He was leaving anyway, Cheapster Williams wouldn't have signed him...I can't believe the trade happened either, but at least the sox got something in return... Chad Bradford-We got Olivo, and we have Gary Glover in the Bullpen, so thats a positive in MY OPINION. Murcielogo-Thats just my writing name...I just chose it, ok? I hope this helps guys. David Wells was definitely a negative. He did the same thing Royce did, he ruined this teams chemistry...