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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 09:32 PM) It is the biggest flaw in the rebuild. But it wasn’t necessary for the Astros to sign an outside player for over $100 million. They supplemented with quality veterans. But they were much closer to typical Sox spending for the likes of Reddick and Gurriel. Came up with four studs in Altuve, Correa, Keuchel and Springer. They were at $124 million opening day last year. $26 million, $50, $72.5, $97 was their progression starting in 2013. They didn’t crack $100 until Year 5 (2017). Made the playoffs at $72.5 million in 2015 and nearly stopped the Royals if not for a Correa misplay. Verlander $20 million/$40 million commitment, 2 years + vesting option (Tigers paying $17.5 million) McCann $17 million + club option (absorbed NYY deal) Keuchel $13.2 million Reddick $13 million x 3 remaining years Gurriel $12 million (only $18 combined for 2019/20) Springer $12 million x 2 remaining years Gattis $6.7 million (trade w/ Braves) Morton, Joe Smith and Gerrit Cole are their next 3 most expensive ($21 million combined). They’re super fortunate to have two options on Altuve for only $12.5 million combined (see Sale/Q/Eaton/Anderson). Same with Correa being in year 3 and around $1 million. That’s already $121 million for 11 players...but somewhere in the $150-155 million ballpark in Year 6 of the rebuild. For the White Sox, that would be all the way to 2022. One key difference, they bottomed out without a Sale, Q or Eaton to trade and missed on Appel/Aiken. Of course, they turned around and drafted Bregman, Tucker and Cameron (Verlander deal) a year later to make up for it (whereas Rodon, Fulmer, Collins/Burdi/Hansen and Burger have been a mixed bag.). Marwin Gonzalez made a huge contribution out of practically nowhere, as noted earlier in the thread.

Ulnar Collateral Ligament Sprain. This type of sprain most commonly occurs in throwing activities. The injury is characterized by the insidious onset of vague medial elbow pain that becomes worse with activity. The pain is typically relieved with rest but returns on resumption of throwing at over 70 percent of normal velocity. An ulnar collateral ligament sprain can be demonstrated by pain or instability on valgus stress testing. Radiographs may show loose bodies, traction spurs or heterotropic ossification of the ligament itself. MRI can identify partial and complete tears, but this study is not usually necessary. https://www.aafp.org/afp/2000/0201/p691.html From everything you can find online, it looks like a combination of 2-4 months of rest and rehab. Basically, he would miss three out of five months of the minor league season (end of June/early July return), then could theoretically play in the AFL or winter ball. Otherwise, out for a full season but possibly with a stronger elbow upon return...1 1/2 years down the line. Since a lot of his value comes from his arm and power, it’s a pretty important decision.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 09:26 PM) this is the beauty of having a deep system. And it's not like he's a prized middle infield or catching prospect. Toolsy OF are a dime a dozen compared to IF prospects in the Sox org. It's a blow, but it's not a bad one. I'm just knocking on wood (literally, right now) that the more critical pieces to the rebuild enjoy good health this spring and year. We already are dealing with a pretty bad setback with Rodon imo. edit: we have "SonofaRoache" and "GoodAsGould" both in this thread right now. Awesome. Ummm...after Robert and Jimenez, it’s hard to find a projected big league starter other than the possibility of Rutherford. I guess if you start counting the Engels and Cordells as “toolsy.”

Cornyn pretty much announced raising the age limit to 21 is done in the Senate. So now it will take another high school or university-aged shooter with a mass shooting...of course. Then it will invariably be about the FBI, background checks, local law enforcement, SRO’s, teachers’ unions not arming themselves to prove they really love their students, our byzantine mental health system, privacy rights/due process, databases not seamlessly communicating, etc. Or just labeling every shooter as crazy/nut job/disturbed.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 08:02 PM) This is exactly how I see the Sox rebuild unfolding. I see them taking the Houston approach filling needs with second tier free agents and then making big trades at the right moment. I guess there is more than one way to win a WS through a rebuild after all but you’d think the Sox rebuild is destined for failure if they miss out on Machado. I even forgot Brian McCann, yet another “name” vet.

Let’s go back to the central argument.. There MIGHT be a point where Moustakas makes sense, where there’s a market inefficiency to be exploited THIS year. Some say 3 years/$38 million...others 5/$60. Another group, it depends on an opt out. All things considered, that’s equally or more realistic than Machado (who might want to play SS anyway), Donaldson, Arenado and Rendon. You could also argue that signing the equivalent of the Astros’ Gurriel from Cuba or Kang (minus the domestic violence issues!) from Japan/Korea is the best move because it doesn’t cost us in the 2nd round or future depth/talent surrendered, like a Verlander or Longoria to SF move. Not to mentioning absorbing huge veteran contract dollars. But that’s where scouts make their living. At different times in the last five years, Verlander and Longoria looked like toast.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 07:45 PM) How so? What big dogs have the Astros signed over the last 5+ years of their rebuild? Gurriel, Reddick, Gattis, Beltran...Carlos Gomez, Gregerson and Verlander. Mostly high quality B tier guys. Gurriel and Verlander the two outliers. Lots of veterans to mix with the youth. If you look at this list, or 2004-05 with the Sox, you’d think anyone under 30 wouldn’t fit on a contender, lol. And yet I just saw someone write Moustakas was past his prime at age 29. That list, and what the Sox did with almost all vets other than Jenks, or the Royals adding James Shields, the Cubs adding Ben Zobrist/Lester/Lackey/Ross...each situation argues logically for the youth/veteran mix approach.

CNN Town Hall Chadwick Boseman vs. Michael B. Jordan, done in character.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 04:38 PM) Just shows how laughable their armed teachers solution is. If cops are hesitant, what the hell is some old fart with no experience going to do? Only the best trained, motivated and certified will do. Top 10-20%. Ex military/police backgrounds, etc. Coaches, “deans,” administrators. Trump will even give them a little bonus, but probably not $250 or $500 per teacher coming out of his Indian real estate proceeds. How dare you': CNN's Camerota clashes with NRA's Loesch over her claim that media 'love' mass shootings https://www.yahoo.com/news/dare-cnns-camero...-151738545.html When did any news network argue that the NRA were child murderers? Fake news! I have no problem with people who own guns legally, but let's be clear: the guns that plague cities from Chicago to Philadelphia flood in from states with loose gun laws, such as Arizona, Utah, Mississippi, Alabama, Indiana and Kentucky. In many cases, these firearms are bought at gun shows, transported over state lines and sold via straw purchases to criminals. These guns cause havoc in communities of color, which Loesch doesn't know a damn thing about. Does the NRA believe gang members in crime-ridden cities are manufacturing guns in the basement? Via gun shows and astounding access to weaponry, the NRA and gun owners profit from this awful trade, even as gun victims die in cities like Chicago. In addition, where was the NRA when Philando Castile, who had a license to carry, was shot dead by a police officer? https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/opinions/wha...cane/index.html

Lol at the Matt Stairs comp for Burger. Well, that would be a pretty successful career offensively. Connor Walsh in...should be Vieira next.

Jake Peter for the Dodgers, haha...Trayce has been beating us up. Burger k’s on sidearm outside slider...Tilson weakly popped to short LCF, nice play by SS.

Apparently Tyler Danish was in a pretty major automobile accident this offseason... Jimenez enters as pr for Abreu. No Rich King, he’s not a baserunning threat. Moncada k’s against Mr. Ambidextrous. Cordell’s rolls over on a pitch and hits weak forceout to 3b to end bases loaded threat. 10-5 still. Burger in at 3rd. Jimenez in RF. Tilson in CF. Leury at second. Jacob May in LF. Clark not looking particularly impressive, either. All four White Sox pitchers have surrendered runs. Tilson still not injured, yet.

Apparently Avi has the defensive play of the game back up against the fence. His last throw to the plate wasn’t so hot. Rich King? Poor Melton...Clark gets out of the inning, misidentified as still Ynoa by Langer.

Cordell doesn’t have much of an arm. Goodbye, Ynoa.

Jimenez and Robert are expected to play in the game today, fwiw. Listed as Mlb.com (White Sox tv), WGN radio, SportsNet LA Chisox.com broadcast? According to my At Bat app, Dodgers’ feed is the only tv. Wilmer Font for LA.

Bright Trump CPAC idea of the day... Because all teachers love their students and all students love their teachers, they will be much more effective shooters than an SRO cowering outside with no connection to those students. (Obviously doesn’t know most public schools well.) Love will help handguns outduel automatic weapons. Problem solved. More handgun sales and trainings for the NRA.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 09:42 AM) Ok but I'm talking about drafted arms. Sure, but we need to utilize ALL avenues. The Red Sox and Cards have succeeded with a plethora of Japanese and Koreans...when’s the last time we did/tried that...Iguchi and Takatsu.

Ivanka Trump arrives at Olympics. So does a senator (Idaho/Risch) warning of 'biblical' destruction of North Korea. https://sports.yahoo.com/ivanka-trump-arriv...-094724382.html What garnered less attention from the gathered press was the identity of the man immediately to her left as she thanked Korea for the warm welcome. His face isn’t recognizable. But his words just a few days ago at the Munich Security Conference are pretty … notable … or alarming … or whatever word you choose to use. “If [a nuclear conflict with North Korea] starts, it’s going to be probably one of the one of the worst catastrophic events in the history of our civilization,” said Jim Risch, a Republican senator from Idaho. “It is going to be very, very brief. The end of it is going to see mass casualties the likes of which the planet has never seen. It will be of biblical proportions.” Interestingly, Danny Tarkanian, Jerry’s son...is now hammering Dean Heller in the NV GOP primary for close ties to “Democrat” Ivanka.

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 09:23 AM) It's one of the reasons why the bullpen strategy is interesting though. Some articles have noted either Haber or Fabian talking about how with bullpens being so valuable, draft relief arms might be an inefficiency to exploit. And we don't really count up our bullpen prospects because it seems so risk-filled and we have less info on them. But there is a conscious collection of guys such as Burdi, Hamilton, Veiera, Burr, Henzman, T. Johnson that all have interesting arms, as well as the likelihood of some failed starters maybe being dynamite in relief. It's a bit counting your chickens before they hatch, but sox specifically tried to make the above happen so it's interesting to see if it either works in the majors or provides them with trade chips. Royals finding market inefficiency in low-risk reclamations https://sports.yahoo.com/news/royals-findin...23694--mlb.html Similar concept...Chris Young, Blanton, Madson, Medlen (didn’t work out) etc. We have/had Kahnle (sold low?), Swarzak, Jennings, (Crain going further back) and now a TON of reclamation guys along with 10-12 legit young prospects (including Burdi/Cease/Lopez/Fulmer.) But that original KC pen was an absolute monster...Herrera, Hochevar, Collins, W.Davis and Holland. And the Twins actually did the same thing, two distinct cycles, from 2002-2010.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 09:04 AM) The difference is that Matt Kemp's money only covers two years and would purchase a sub-market asset with 6 years of control. It would be spending money now to save money in the future. Then create a realistic option/opt after 2 or 3 years that’s acceptable to both sides, keeping him off the 2018/19 market. He would only be 31-32 then, so not precluding one big shot at a final lifetime deal of 4-5 years...

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 08:37 AM) I think one of the under-posted arguments to NOT settling for a guy like Moustakas is in the bolded of your post above. A bunch of these guys ARE going to flame out. More than likely, when we find ourselves on the fringes of contention, we will have a couple big holes to fill, and the math that you just described may very well apply. It may make a ton of sense to fill those holes with "just solid" players if we already have superstars elsewhere. The problem with doing that NOW is that we don't know which guys are going to be the busts and thus which spots we need to fill, so we'd be forced to guess. The flexibility of holding our money back until we can spend it in the most optimal way has value. This is a couple of years out of date...at that point we were 12th in MLB. https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/estimated-t...l-30-mlb-teams/ We keep talking about low ratings (see Astros 2012-14), but we share significant revenues due to the Cubs, Bulls, Blackhawks...so we need to do whatever is possible between now and mid 2019 to push that $50 million up to $100 million. These new deals have all been 20+ years, so it’s the single most critical factor for long term franchise stability/viability. Mariners, no playoffs, $2 billion, 20 years (signed Cano, Cruz, Hernandez extension) Rangers, $1.6 billion, 20 years Phillies, 25-year deal and the Philadelphia Inquirer reported it is worth more than $2.5 billion, with the Phillies also acquiring an equity stake in the network, plus receiving advertising revenue. The Mariners New TV Deal Gives Added Flexibility, But Will They Use It? The Mariners get a new lucrative TV deal before the bubble bursts. The question is, with no stadium/corporate franchise debt, how will they use it? https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2013/4/19/42...ctv-maury-brown

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 08:26 AM) The Astros have Springer, Correa, Altuve as stars. Probably Bregman too. Cubs have Rizzo, Bryant and Contreras. Will the Sox have 3 or 4 young players at that level in 2 years? I doubt it. I think they'll have a number at the Happ level, however. Which is why I want them to stockpile the pitching. Astros and Cubs were light on pitching - Sox can get their championship via a different route....closer to the Royals: solid across the board, with top shelf pitching. The best 3 eras of the Sox in my life had starting pitching as the greatest strength: 83, 93 and 05. Yea, meant Gurriel. I was thinking of Rusney Castillo I guess The Royals’ blueprint was 1) Bullpen 2) Defense 3) Speed/aggressiveness 4) Contact hitters...moving the line 5) Just enough starting pitching I worry about the defense and bullpen (raw pieces are there, along with one FA signing)...and obviously making more contact offensively. The advantage SHOULD be starting pitching and power hitting. At that time (2014-16), speed/defense/bullpen was completely undervalued. No longer the case, to exploit those market inefficiencies, just like the Pirates did with pitch framing and relying on infield defense and sinkerball pitchers.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 08:11 AM) I dont know if a 400 dollar payment to a mother from an agent is going to sink him. But another sexual assault allegation last week ups the pressure again...plus Bridges and Jackson will both go pro.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 08:11 AM) There are a heck of a lot of guys who project to things they never become. I hope all the White Sox prospects reach to their projections and above, but it's not realistic to not think at least half of these guys are going to face plant. If they don't, it's gravy, but right now Eloy, Moncada, Hansen, Kopech, Robert, are all future 9 figure contract guys. Hopefully, 2 are. Or...really really stretching (Garcia repeats his 4-5 WAR 2017) Avi Garcia Micker Adolfo (raw talent-wise) Collins becomes an All-Star catcher Anderson averages 3-4 WAR and hits FA while still quite young Carlos Rodon Out of those ten...how many will ever sign a $100+ deal?

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Feb 23, 2018 -> 08:08 AM) Pretty much a guarantee we are talking less then a handful I can't remember another guy other then Stras. Currently, five teams (the Blue Jays, A's, Braves, Reds and Giants) don't have a single player represented by Boras on their Major League roster. Ten other teams only have one. The Blue Jays, in fact, have been so stringent with their free-agent hauls that Boras publicly questioned their club policy against signing players to anything more than a five-year deal. Interesting...the Nationals have SEVEN. http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/10697...c-nationals-mlb