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http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2...DKdO/story.html Trade from the Boston/DD perspective...not sure where they're getting four vs. three years of control, though. http://www.espn.com/blog/keith-law/post/_/...hris-sale-trade Apparently Keith Law is a fan of the trade, going by the headline (insider article). Definitely weird to see Shields, Cabrera, Abreu, Robertson and Frazier as the five biggest Sox contracts at Cot's.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Dude, the first trade was made. There is really no way you can predict any of what you are talking about until the offseason is over. And cashing in on Abreu being the biggest Cuban star? come on man, nobody cares. If people really cared to come out to see Abreu Cabrera Frazier and Eaton than they would have Except the White Sox organization has always cared about marketing, attendance revenues, perception...you honestly believe all that institutional memory can disappear so quickly?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) I don't think the fans factor into this. There's no indication the Sox are stopping trading. There's been not one media report that this trade was made with 2017 in mind. It's pretty obvious a firesale is coming until we hear this trade was it and the Sox are shopping for 2 veteran starting pitchers. Except firesale connotes having to trade pieces for 50-75 cents on the dollar, like the Padres. The White Sox won't do that for anyone...with the possible exceptions of Shields, Robertson and Cabrera. Financially, they're not going to be forced into that position as the payroll keeps getting cut with each corresponding move or domino falling into place, so to speak.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/red-...ech-two-others/ Besides, Baseball America is already projecting Moncada having a decent chance to break camp with the Sox. It's probably 50/50 he's the Opening Day 2B and leadoff or second place hitter (if Eaton's still around).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:12 PM) He contradicts himself unless Abreu is supposed to go to Charlotte. Keep Moncada in the minors but have him develop a bond with Abreu. And how long do you think they'll keep him in Charlotte? They don't spend six or seven weeks together in spring training? Last year, I remember reading story after story about how Rollins was going to mentor Anderson. I didn't see that Anderson and Rollins would be playing together at Charlotte, either. Abreu is the biggest Cuban/Cuban-American star, after the death of Jose Fernandez. At the very least, he's right up there with Cespedes (and with Puig's descent). And Moncada is supposed to be the next great Cuban star, with comps stretching from ARod to a poor man's Mike Trout. Who would be better for him to be around? Plus, we now have a manager the Latin American players will be more comfortable and be able to communicate more openly with. They're really going to trade him for some B level Rockie when they just brought in Moncada? And if they deal Abreu, Cabrera, Eaton and Frazier...who are the fans going to want to come out and see? Holding onto Abreu at least until July makes sense unless another team just bowls you over.

Isn't that what message boards are for? How many White Sox fans honestly expect Q, Eaton, Jones and Cabrera to all be traded before July 31st? That's not even considering Frazier, Robertson and Abreu (yet).

I know you're going to tempted to argue that Moncada and Collins injected into the line-up makes you competitive the second half of 2017. Or that Burdi is ready to be a big league closer. BUT...No. It doesn't. We have no real CFer, DH or ace any longer. Do the prudent thing and let Moncada, Collins, Burdi, Kopech and Basabe develop. Be patient, for once. It's extremely important to determine if Collins can stick as a catcher...rather than rushing his bat as a DH/1B and trying to preserve his health. The premium value comes from his being able to catch decently AND be a plus hitter at that position. Then you have 3 solutions up the middle, and a possible 4th in Basabe for CF in 2019. Look to trade Eaton, Q, Nate Jones and Melky at their peak respective values with the White Sox if the right deals come along. Don't accept anything less than fair deals, obviously. Hold Abreu and see the chemistry with him and Moncada until at least July. He seems to be a good mentor, from all we know about him. Jose, if he has another first half like he ended 2016, becomes a much more coveted piece. His value is still down, now. It's also easier to imagine him sticking around, on the other hand. Frazier and Robertson, hold and wait on a rebound...look to trade in July, decide if Frazier might be a long-term stabilizing force to keep in the fold, do you get more back immediately from a trade or go through the QO process? Extend? Depends on what pieces are left from Q/Eaton. Does Trey M. make any progress? But Robertson goes with the first/best offer. Fulmer is the obvious choice for the rotation spot at the moment. Do not rush Burdi. Give him at least one full season in the minors starting. Same with Kopech, and Hansen, for that matter. If someone blows you away with an offer for Gonzalez, great. If not, he is a rotation place holder. Same with Shields, who's seemingly a sunk cost at this point but might have some value yet. Let Tilson, Lawrie/Garcia (DH) play and see what you can get out of those latter two or move on. Right now, Saladino's going to have 2-3 months of regular at-bats at second until Moncada's deemed ready.

The last time the Sox had an exciting minor league system was 2009, especially Birmingham the first half that year. And can someone interview Getz now, haha? The pressure on him just increased by a factor of 5x.

You can understand why they had to keep Devers...certainly can't rely on Sandoval there long-term, if at all.

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:54 PM) Turner hit .342 in significant big league action. Moncada was sixty points shy of that in the minors. I know BA is kinda lame, buy isn't that just too stark to ignore? A lot of his success came against the sorry Braves. Raw Latin American prospects vs. more polished collegiate hitters drafted in the first round, hard to make comparisons. And Turner was never available, from all reports. Considering Harper will walk in two years, that's understandable enough.

Let's see where Devers, Robles and Basabe are three years from now. White Sox BA Top Ten just added three top five or six guys now. With Moncada, Collins and Basabe...three guys who could be real impact hitters. Then Kopech, Burdi, Fulmer and Hansen are all at least intriguing. At the bery least, we're stockpiling the best future bullpen in the game.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2...boston_r_1.html We now have an extremely young and talented Venezuelan future CFer who has some real pop...and that quality will play much better in USCF than a BradleyJr. Or Robles.

Or they form the super pen of all-time with Burdi, Kopech, Nate Jones, Fulmer, Hansen, etc. All starters out of games from the 5th inning on. Feel bad for Saladino, but he might still end up at 3b again...at least this year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-education...WQDBHNlYwNzcg-- Wanted to repost the original Passan article that gives more of a "real feel" for Moncada, his background, and what to expect... He takes walks and "the poor man's Mike Trout" are obviously two things to be excited about.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) Please trade Quintana to Washington. It makes sense to White Sox fans, baseball insiders and GM's, but would their fans perceive him as so much better than Gio Gonzalez? You can get one of their big two, but probably not both...meaning the secondary pieces would be critical.

Makes for an interesting situation with Abreu now. Where do you actually play Moncada? 2b, 3b? One would think the dynamic nature of his game would be limited by a LF assignment in USCF.

All depends who the third/possible fourth guys from the Nats would be...haven't heard much, if anything, on that front.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:57 AM) Yeah, I doubt that Boston will trade Benintendi after the way that he played down the stretch. I'd be happy with Bradley, Moncada, Kopech, Devers, and a lesser minor-league outfielder for Sale and Melky. That would address CF and 3B through 2020. Is Melky Cabrera or Jones really going to get Moncada or Benintendi added?

Can anyone live with a deal that gets you Devers and Kopech but no headliner other than BradleyJr.? Who would the 4th/5th piece have to be in that scenario? Groome, Basabe, Swihart, Rodriguez, Owens, etc.?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/america-pay-...-100000736.html Will America pay to protect Trump-branded buildings all over the world? Will (no longer officially working for the campaign) Trump advisors continue to make ill-advised remarks like "Screw 'em!" when dealing with the Chinese in the media? Will there be a war between the two administrations before January 20th rolls around? https://jtf.org/trump-threatens-35-import-t...total-disaster/ Will Trump have to "win" every deal with companies looking to move operations abroad...forcing costs on American consumers to skyrocket but "preserving optics" of fighting for the American worker? And how long will GOP Congress sit idly by (or even Mitt Romney) while free market capitalism, philosophy of no government intervention, MNC's and their related PAC's are trampled on?

Unless you can get Swanson or Bregman. The trade's easier to sell if the fans can see one key piece making an immediate contribution, particularly an everyday player at a key position on the field.

How many bats other than Encarnacion are left on the market? The cost savings as well as the age advantage are worth $35-55 million alone...and signing him's (EE) going to cost a pick or picks...so isn't a hitter in the prime of his career a pretty darned valuable asset if you take off your WAR-colored glasses?

If they're going to compete with Arenado and Carlos Gonzalez, this is their last shot at it. Makes some sense, with the DBacks and Padres retrenching. Of course, that still leaves the Dodgers and Giants to beat.

It almost feels like we're going more in the direction of the Expos/Marlins under Loria after overspending for a decade (compared to results/WAR/incoming revenues). Between being penned in by the Cubs and needing to be terrible for a couple of seasons to accumulate 2 more Top 5 draft picks, it's a logical enough direction just to slash payroll to 2005 levels and hope to ride out the storm to where you can put out a decent product on the field in 2019 and then legitimately compete for a playoff spot in 2020 (Of course, that would be 12 seasons in between playoff appearances, while the Cubs are expected to be in Year 4/5 of their run.) That means someone like Robles (just as an example) would be arriving anywhere from mid 2018 to the beginning of the 2019 season.

Would love a GELATO about now...