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Pirates catcher Francisco Cervelli's 51 consecutive scoreless innings behind the plate is the longest scoreless streak in the big leagues since Baltimore’s Gus Triandos from June 23-29, 1957 (52.1 innings) (via Elias). Pittsburgh has jumped to a 3-0 lead over the White Sox in the first inning. Follow live Share 5m 52 INNINGS and counting. 1.3 to go. You know things are going bad when Chris Denorfia's outproducing the entire White Sox team for an entire series in just 3 innings. FYI, Sean Rodriguez's nickname is Serpico, haha.

6/57 for Cabrera. It's funny that Farmer's even mentioning how badly he's hitting from the right side. Usually only the opponent's announcers do that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:08 PM) I will be shocked if they don't sign Price this offseason You really think Illitch and the Tigers are going to give up on making the post-season so easily? It's going to be interesting to see if they go after Cueto/Price, make the long anticipated trade of prospects/Castro for pitching OR BOTH.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:14 PM) Leadoff double lol Who sacs bunt in the first inning vs an awful pitcher with the heart of the order coming up? Wow An unselfish team that's clicking on all cylinders. I think that's now outscored 57-19 in the first inning, and counting.

Maybe Schwarber will go off tonight in his starting debut and nobody will notice the White Sox game? The biggest question is whether Melky Cabrera can get a hit against a lefty. Of course, he's back to hitting 2nd again. 6/56 to begin the night. Of course, from 2012-2014, he hit .311 with an 848 OPS against them in 380 AB's. This one's as much of a head-scratcher as Adam Dunn's 2011. Finally, how can Bryce Harper be putting up a 1.229 OPS to the opposite field? The craziest stat yet this season. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-leag...-005152575.html And the White Sox have their next lefty and a Boras client to boot, talk about the Orioles gaming the system with the Wei Yin Chen "demotion."

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2015...all-devil-magic

Applebee's will be open at 10, or there's Bill Self's couch.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:58 AM) This is just not true. There are 32 managerial jobs in the majors. Guys aren't turning them down when offered. For whatever reason, they wanted to hire Ventura. 30, but the point is that it's harder to get this job than even being a U.S. Senator, statistically. They might not get the ideal or perfect candidate, but plenty of managers would be interested in a team with a solid young foundation of Chris Sale, Jose Abreu, Carlos Rodon, Jose Quintana, Fulmer, Eaton, Avi Garcia and David Robertson....with a middle teens farm system now.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:40 AM) nice work in gather this new info. with re to my point, here are some links i look at this morning. http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime...uter-crimes.htm http://www.cga.ct.gov/2012/rpt/2012-R-0254.htm bottom line the way this will be judge, to my precipitation is it will be up to the law enforcement agency and the DA. again i am not a lawyer or anything. This case is even more complicated because of the involvement of the FBI, interstate commerce (actually, international, because you're talking about financial transactions affecting players in Latin America, Asia, Canada, etc.) and the Sherman Anti-Trust exemption for baseball's "monopoly" as the national pastime.

Eduardo Escobar Chris Carter Ryan Sweeney Brent Morel Chris Getz Gordon Beckham Marcus Semien Rangel Ravelo (when not injured) Josh Phegley Micah Johnson That's about it.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:47 AM) When Robin was hired, I thought it was a bad move because he had no experience. But a lot of posters here differed saying a manager in baseball had a minor impact. At this point, I would not fire Robin unless JR thinks the next manager is on staff. Instead I would fire Hahn and/or Williams and bring in a new GM. Let that person then pick his own manager next year where the field of candidates is larger. I think Hahn/Williams has assembled a roster that is flawed and is being coached by a manager that is also flawed. If they make Buddy Bell the interim guy (some would prefer McEwing), then it would certainly give them another "fall guy" to push out at the end of the season if the team doesn't respond any more than they have to Ventura this year. Joel Skinner would be another option, like the Padres just went with, their AAA manager. Greg might have a conniption fit for the next 3 months, though.

I'd say it's a slight upgrade from 2-3 years ago simply because of Montas, Anderson and Fulmer...and hopefully the 4th/5th round starters or Hickman. Kangari at 1B/DH. Hawkins has a 25% chance of still being an impact player, but it's nothing like 2 years ago. And Micah Johnson, who, not surprisingly, was exposed defensively. Things that have gone right: Peavy for Garcia and Montas (although, in retrospect, you could argue Iglesias would be more valuable NOW, he wasn't available because the Tigers needed him THEN and nobody thought he would hit like this) Micker Adolfo, things picking up on the international signing front compared to five years ago Abreu Rodon falling into their laps Eaton for Hector Santiago is about a net wash right now Putnam and Petricka Robertson, although that's far from a bargain contract and you're paying him way too much to close out games for a last place team when Jason Grilli or John Axford or someone of a similar ilk can be picked up from the scrap heap. Health, no major injuries Obviously, you have the failures of Viciedo and Beckham, the Davidson fiasco, Eric Johnson going backwards when he was expected to be a rotation mainstay...all the FA moves this offseason which haven't worked out, getting nothing for Sergio Santos, sitting on Alexei Ramirez too long...the accumulation of a bunch of middle infielders but possibly not one impact player among the bunch...the complete fiasco that is the catching position....Keppinger/Downs/Bonifacio and gambling on Paulino....the implosion of Jared Mitchell and Keenyn Walker, as well as Hawkins hitting a wall last year....John Danks and Melky Cabrera really hampering our financial flexibility in 2015 and 2016, the fact that we had to rely so much last few years on Rienzo/Carroll/Noesi/Axelrod/Danks due to the lack of minor league options....injuries to Crain and Nate Jones....Ventura and the coaching staff not taking a step forward in their development. The Samardzija misfire.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...t-deal-thursday This is the best we're going to get. Trying to piggyback off the Blackhawks' success by selling fans $15 tickets if they wear their hockey gear to the ticket booth to order for Thursday's game after the parade. I wonder if they'll even get 100? 150? 200? It won't be worth the column space devoted to it. If they had wanted to do something really cool, they'd just let all those celebrating fans in for free as a public service. Is the Stanley Cup actually going to be there like it was at Wrigley at least, and some of the players?

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/joe...75083e87ee.html Perspective from a St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnist. You can't spell Best Fans in Baseball (BFIB) without FBI!!! http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/h...f3436ced5b.html Reactions, including commentary from Bob Costas (who of course thinks it will turn out to be benign rather than damning) One person briefed on the case told the Chronicle that four to five individuals within the Cardinals organization are a focus of investigators, and multiple sources said the FBI is expected to complete its investigation soon. "In this case, you're dealing with America's game," (Richard) Garcia (former agent in charge of Houston FBI office) said. "It could be pretty intense." Sheryl Falk, a partner in the Houston office of the law firm Winston & Strawn who has handled cases involving digital evidence and computer forensics, said the hacking could constitute a violation of the 1986 federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which makes it a criminal offense to access a computer without authorization or to exceed authorized access to obtain information from a computer that is used in or affects interstate commerce or communications. Possible criminal penalties, she said, are a fine and/or imprisonment of up to five years if the offense was committed for commercial advantage or in furtherance of criminal activity or if the value of the information exceeded $5,000. A person suffering damages or loss through such violations also can sue for civil damages. "This would be a clear case of corporate espionage," Falk said. "You usually see this from nation/state actors." http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/ast...sin-6331687.php Breach Into Astros' Data May Be A Cardinal Sin

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 10:28 PM) Agreed with all this, I would add Trayce as well though. If this draft is as good as the experts are saying it is, a top 5 pick will be incredibly valuable. If they stink, they stink. If someone shows they can play, you have some options for the offseason then. If the Sox don't get a 3B, C, SS, or OF for Samardzija that can start next season, then just take the comp pick and have the extra pool money to work with. Who are you guys planning to sit in the OF? Cabrera? Eaton? Trade LaRoche and move Avi to DH/1B?

QUOTE (gosox41 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 09:31 PM) I'll try to keep this short and to the point. Most managers are hired to be fired. Unless you have one of the top 3-4 managers in the game, it's basically a crap shoot on hiring and firing these guys. It is almost impossible to quantify a manager's effect on a team. Making the baseball decisions is the easy part. Who bats first, when do you pinch hit. There are no guarantees in it so you just play the odds with the occasional hunch and hope for the best. In this day and age, a computer can be programmed with the various variables to make the in game decisions. A manager's biggest job is handling the personnel and having them ready and motivated to play. Whether it's working on defense before every game or stressing certain aspects of the game that need attention. They also need to keep the players focused and ready to go. Sure, it's the players job to be ready, but managers definitely serve a purpose in the MAN part of managing. Since every season the personnel changes, injuries happen, and managers are hired in to situations where they have an old team in decline or a young team on the upswing it is impossible to quantify their effect on how many wins or losses they add. But there are signs a manager isn't doing his job: 1. When the players look flat. 2. If the personnel changes turns over a lot and the team is still showing the same flaws (ie poor defense, no patience at the plate, etc.) 3. If management has to come in and ask the manager to be more involved in the day to day player activity and be more hands on. 4. When the talent level on the team is clearly improved but to no avail. 5. When you see the same results year in and year out. That being said, it's time for Robin to go. I don't give a crap if he shows expressions during a game or not. I do care about the 5 points I mentioned above. And to take this one step further, I don't blame Hahn. We all know KW has power and is Rick's boss and Robin's indirect boss. We also all know that KW hired RV. And who came out and was his biggest defender last month? KW again. I don't know what test Robin scored so high on to be a "leader of men" but it ain't working. The Sox need to now go the opposite direction and bring in more of a butt kicker. Preferable someone from outside the organization. That's the problem when you hire a former player who the fans love. You get lots of leeway. It also makes it that much harder for management to fire you. Do I have any suggestions on who the next manager should be? No. Someone respected (like a Torborg) who is also a bit of a butt kicker and isn't going to tolerate lackidasical play. Right about now (realistically not being sarcastic and saying bring in average Joe Fan) I don't care who they bring in because it can't get any worse then this. Get someone in here to shake things up. This goes back to why, if I were a team owner, I'd hire proven managers with track records of winning. If I were going to go cheap and inexperienced, I'd give them 2-3 years and the ship them out of I am still seeing the 5 points I mentioned above. Maybe I am oversimplifying, but what is going on this season is unacceptable. Fan favorite or not, Robin needs to go. Even if it's for the logic of you can't fire 25 players so fire the manager. Whatever rationalization works as long as change is made. Until this happens, we'll be having a lot more threads about the top 10 pick we'll have in the draft next year. I'd fire Robin tonight. We know that's not going to happen. If the Sox look like they're playing corpseball tomorrow, I don't see how they can bring Robin back here at all. But we all no that it's not going to happen. We'll have loyalty and stubborness shoved up our kiesters by JR and KW. If they cared about winning they'd do something NOW. Bob There are LOTS of White Sox fans out there like yourself "lying dormant" but who still care deeply and passionately about their favorite team and are upset/frustrated/bordering on furious with the current direction of things. Good post. Obviously there are some who will make the case that managers don't matter, hitting coaches, etc., they'll say look at the record of the the Brewers or the Marlins or whatever team that hasn't magically gone on a playoff run. To that, I'll just say why did the 2012 White Sox, with basically the same or lesser personnel as 2011 and with over 10 rookie pitchers (half of them nowhere near a MLB roster right now) play so well for 5 months, when the only difference was changing from Guillen to Ventura? Finally, how did the 2013 and 2014 and 2015 defense/s go from being one of the best in the AL in 2012 to the worst? Why did the 2012 defense play so much better? Why did all those guys like Viciedo, DeAza and Ramirez regress in the seasons since? In 2015, how can every single player on the entire roster be worse (in the case of Eaton and Alexei, the two best defenders last year...FAR WORSE) or regressing from a defensive standpoint? The only two decent defensive players right now are Beckham and Sanchez, and they're also in the biggest offensive slumps, and, at best, are limited offensively. “Whether they are trying too hard or not, maybe you try harder,” Ventura said. But White Sox manager Robin Ventura is positive it’s not for a lack of preparedness. “No, they’re ready,” Ventura said. “They’re ready. When they come in the game, they’re ready to go. You can sit there, bounce around, have them throw more pitches, they’re ready to go when they go in the game. It’s just a phenomenon that needs to stop. It was a fluke until we started leading the league in it. So something has to stop and we have to have guys get better when they get in there in the first inning.” “I don’t know if there is an answer to it,” Ventura said. “Obviously these guys don’t want to do that, but when they come in and any time pitchers ease into a game it’s a bit easier for the offense. First impressions are always hard to get away from. That first inning of setting the tone is there and you want to get away from that because it’s negative." I feel pretty confident the answers aren't there, but whatever. It comes down to "trying harder" and pitchers have to set the tone early (at home) so that the offense can relax a bit more. Nothing about fielding/baserunning/lack of execution/mental mistakes. www.csnchicago.com

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 08:37 PM) I think Love and Mercy was one of the best movies I've seen in a long time. Paul Dano makes for an amazing Brian Wilson sinking into a psychological break. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dope_2015/ DOPE looks really good, too.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 12:08 PM) The "Pump Up Schwarber Trade Value" tour has begun. He's only here to DH, then going back down to Triple A -- because he has no position. Well, that remains to be seen. If they had Flowers/Soto instead of Montero as their best major league catching options, I'm sure they would use Schwarber there as a starter.

Well, one thing's for sure. If the White Sox signed Chris Young or Brett Anderson and added Kendrys Morales at DH and XYZ player for 1B/LF, the White Sox would be a lot closer to contention...and they'd still have Semien, Ravelo Bassit and Phegley. They also wouldn't have lost a higher draft pick this past June.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 08:04 PM) Is Hahn going to kick the clubhouse door open and then blow Melky's brains out of something? Well, that would definitely take some of the FBI heat off DeWitt, Mozeliak and LaRussa. If they found out LaRussa was behind it, could they retroactively strip his Hall of Fame pass?

The Orioles had EIGHT homers, just tonight. How many games back to you have to go for 8 TOTAL homers with the Sox?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 07:56 PM) All great moves at the time in my opinion. They just haven't performed to career numbers. Eventually, all the "great moves" in the world get managers and GM's in any professional sport fired...it's unavoidable when the win/loss record is so bad and fan apathy is so high. It would be ONE thing if the future looked brighter, if the "suffering" was worth it, but there's hardly a light at the end of the tunnel right now.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 07:54 PM) Another 0-5 road trip Way past time for jobs to be lost, back to back shutouts The Pirates' pitching staff is just rolling right now...we're at the point where we're closer to 10 games under .500 than the .500 mark and they're really in jeopardy of losing 80% of the fans for the remainder of the season. Tuning out wasn't so easy to do in 2007 and 2009, but it has become something of a habit over the last 5 years (with the lone exception of 2012).

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 07:50 PM) Really needs to be changes prior to tomorrow's game. This lack of production is inexcusable. What a waste of resources by Hahn this past offseason. How many times have we said "really needs to be changes....before next week, before they come back to Chicago, before the next homestand, before they're too far out of it, etc." Maybe the reason they haven't fired Steverson is because they realize that absolutely nobody will be in the least bit pacified. It is curious how he's not under more heat, but it's not like he has a long track record with the team, either...like Walker did. Perhaps it's also because he was brought in from outside the organization, so there's the belief it's not just a nepotism hire.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 16, 2015 -> 07:46 PM) It'' start to heat back up once we trade some guys haha. If they DON'T trade Samardzija, the outcry will last for a week or so. What would be more fun (as a debate topic) would be a Quintana trade, but that's about as likely to happen as Ventura resigning or being fired, or Buddy Bell or KW doing the same. It would be cool if we could see if in one of those parallel universes (like in Interstellar) a front office team made up of the entire Black Hawks front office teamed with the top two lieutenants of Jeffrey Luhnow and see how quickly they could turn this mess around, compared to the current group.