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The least they could have done was get Parra. O's will be tied with Jays and both one game clear of the Twins if they win tonight. In the end, it probably wouldn't have been enough with the strikeout game stretch clearly having taken too much out of Sale.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 07:48 PM) Problem is if you brought Dombrowski in with kenny still there, how much is Kenny going to have a say in things. Kenny needs to go to blue jays and let hahn or someone else actually take control I would get rid of both and let DD start from scratch.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) Let him face the Cubs!! Erik Johnson will end up giving up 6-7 runs as Sale takes an extended rest. Cubs make playoffs by one game, lol.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 07:44 PM) It wasn't as if we were all on board for selling, or buying; with as many active members as post here you'd understand opinions differ. But not doing anything.......was pathetic and to me reeked of indecisiveness. Yeah I know, we'll never know the packages offered for Shark; but not selling him is looking to be a terrible move NOW, not even a week past the deadline. How is it going to looks months/years from now? SoxTalk might not exist in 5-6 years now the rate this franchise is going (and we know what if anything comes of that pick)...might even have a new team name.

Offspeed pitch to Mahtook from Robertson last night pretty much ended the season...and the disastrous bottom of the 9th.

Sale's job is to back up home. It's like he gave up on this game when he figured out the Sox offense couldn't score 3 against Archer. Officially a throwing error on Eaton. DJ says even with a day game he would force them to do a morning workout focused on cutoffs/relays.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 07:31 PM) The issue is we don't know how much of the decision making is squarely on hahn vs how much influence kw has. I would like to see kw go and Hahn by himself to see what he can actually do. I think alot of the scouting department and player development Is still from kw era. Maybe if kw is gone hahn could put better people into those areas. I would take Dombrowski in a hearbeat over either one. More stellar Sox defense...Sale wasn't backing up or in the right position, should have been backing up Flowers.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) I agree. It's better than throwing Avisail Garcia to the wolves AGAIN, and then when he goes 0-4 with the golden sombrero, we can b**** about Robin's managerial skills, and then go back to his lack of experience when he took the job. I tell you Stone Pony, not even LaRussa, Cox or Torre could win with Thompson, Flowers, Sanchez and Saladino in their starting line-ups. Just wait until Robin gets his team in there, they'll really start to take off.

It's not like nobody saw this coming. Toronto's blowing past the Twins already. The schedule this month was a trainwreck appoaching...just didn't expect Sale to take two losses in the middle of it. But we also knew Archer was going to be tough. Hitters guessing on fastballs in...Chris/Tyler are going to have to make some slight adjustments in strategy.

Plus, the villainess would have been a perfect foil for Sean Connery with those razor sharp blades back in the day.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 02:48 PM) Tigers are in even more trouble now that he is leaving, thanks. Especially after he gives his son a $75 million KW nepotism contract to set up his family for life, haha.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tige...avila/31121309/ The thread title should be released from his contract, like Ozzie in 2011. He wasn't under contract for 2016. Not fired...if he was really fired, Avila would have been the one making all the deadline trades.

White Sox general manager Ken Harrelson fired top aide Dave Dombrowski Thursday, citing a ``difference in thinking and in philosophy.`` Dombrowski, 29, is a native Chicagoan who was hired by former general manager Roland Hemond, the man Harrelson replaced. Dombrowski held the post of vice president of baseball operations. ``Roland Hemond is a good baseball man, and Dave Dombrowski is a good baseball man who grew up under Roland,`` said Harrelson. [/b]``This is not to say that I`m right or that Roland or David is wrong. We`re just different.`` Dombrowski said that his overall baseball philosophy and Harrelson`s differed ``at the major-league level, the minor-league level, and our ideas about handling young players. We differed and grew apart.`` http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-06...ball-operations June 6, 1986

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) To put some numbers on this I went to FG and sorted for right fielders. Out of qualified RF there are a couple guys who have an RC+ below 100 (so below average RF) who are putting up positive WAR numbers due to defense. Gregory Polanco has played basically the full season or close to it, has been worth 1 fWAR, has most of his value from defense and being a strong baserunner. He's put up a .678 OPS so far on the year. TT could be a better defender than him, but the 11/16 stolen bases this year at Charlotte suggests to me he won't be as valuable of a baserunner, at least to start, and that's without me taking any deserved shots at the coaching staff for the quality of baserunning in this org. If TT is a better defender than Polanco, over a full season, I think that's the OPS range we need to talk about for him to be a decent enough player in right field where we stick him at the bottom of the order and let him catch the ball. Guessing somewhere around .650 OPS might be the ~0 fWAR crossover, give or take a decent amount on each side since this is an educated guess game for now. Interestingly, those rough offensive numbers don't change all that much if he spends a fair amount of time in CF. Brian Anderson would have been perceived as more valuable as well.....but 2005-2008 was still the height of the peds run. Of course, an outfield of Melky, Eaton and Anderson wouldn't exactly constitute a league powerhouse, exactly.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 03:15 PM) Just going to annotate these SP FAs with some numbers. Pitcher - 2015 WAR/2014+2015 WAR, career FIP (age in 2016 season) David Price - 3.7/9.8, 3.24 (30) Johnny Cueto - 3.1/7.7, 3.79 (30) Scott Kazmir - 2.6/5.8, 3.89 (32) Mat Latos - 1.5/3.2, 3.40 (28) Mike Leake - 1.6/3.8 4.17 (28) Jordan Zimmerman - 2.4/7.7, 3.33 (30) Yovani Gallardo - 1.6/3.3, 3.73 (30) Ian Kennedy - -0.5/3.0, 4.03 (31) Jeff Samardzija - 2.4/6.6, 3.74 (31) Brett Anderson - 1.3/2.3, 3.54 (28) (note -> last season before 2015 that he threw 100 IP was 2010) Does Samardzija really look like the worst or second worst of those groups in terms of market value? Price, Cueto, and Zimmerman are the only ones who I'd say are a lock to earn more. Let's not forget that Samardzija also has the sort of name recognition that tends to make guys money. A healthy Iwakuma is a value buy, but there's the Safeco factor. He was one of the most underrated pitchers in baseball last season and is likely to rebound next year.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 04:27 PM) The best GM in baseball? I don't think so. He is good, but there are better Until Friedman wins it all in LA, hard to say he's the best. With Mozeliak, he has been surrounded by so much front office talent, let's see where the Cardinals are in five years now that much of it has been decimated by the hacking scandal as well as other teams pilfering their best talent evaluators. Brian Sabean never gets mentioned but 3/5 World Series wins is hard to beat. Dayton Moore should be considered top five right now...Epstein, Luhnow, etc.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) The best GM in baseball should have at least one World Series ring. I know that's a lofty goal and all, but it's true. How about 1997 and 2003? He probably deserves more of the credit for that second championship than anyone else because he was responsible for bringing in all those young piayers, compared to all the changes Cherington made prior to 2013 with free agents. Dombrowski spent more than a decade in Miami (beginning in 2001), working under owners H. Wayne Huizenga and John W. Henry. Although he built a sound minor league system, the Marlins, with Jim Leyland as their manager, achieved their first great success—the 1997 NL pennant and world championship—with a team composed of many high-salaried players signed as free agents.[citation needed] The following year, Dombrowski presided over Huizenga's mandated fire sale of those veteran players, and the Marlins failed to reached a .500 winning percentage in each of Dombrowski's final four years with the franchise. In November 2001, Dombrowski left Florida to become the president of the Detroit Tigers.[3] Nevertheless, after Henry sold the club in early 2002, the Marlins managed to rebuild behind a nucleus of young players, and in 2003, with a roster consisting chiefly of players Dombrowski had acquired,[4] won the World Series. Dombrowski hired Jim Leyland as manager of the Marlins in 1996. The two had previously worked together with the Chicago White Sox in the early 1980s - Dombrowski as assistant general manager and Leyland as third base coach.[5] Think if the White Sox could have kept Dombrowski, LaRussa, Leyland, Duncan, etc. One of those huge franchise what ifs that stings a little bit less now because of 2005.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 11:48 AM) Business as usual for the Sox. Promote a guy thats not very good at his job and replace him with the guy he mentored. The Sox could have been bold and waited until the offseason to make this move and bring in Chris Correa, a guy with a demonstrated track record of success with the best run organization in the sport, but why not just stay in the cycle of mediocrity. Would MLB even allow that...? Isn't there legal action hanging over his head, at least it still hasn't been sorted out how to punish the Cardinals, presumably. The FBI hasn't made any annoucements since, have they?

QUOTE (LDF @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 09:40 AM) how is the waiver list order is judge?? i always thought it was on the win / lost record like the draft order. Reverse winning percentage...the worst teams always get first shot, like the A's selecting Valencia from TOR.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 09:27 AM) Seeing as he got to a first place team, that means the entire NL passed, as did almost all of the AL. Something like 25 teams passed on JD. And yet how many times has the same been said about Mike Trout around here?

JD Martinez would have looked nice in RF or LF and wouldn't have cost us a thing other than a waiver claim. We passed. Detroit didn't. Thirty bombs this year already.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 07:17 AM) That highlighted bit is one major reason why calling Obamacare a "conservative plan" or "way to the right" of the plan Romney put in place as governor while dealing with Democratic supermajorities in the state congress will always be silly. I know it's a bit of a derail but that's sort of a pet peeve of mine. Obama didn't have a single vote from the opposition and still barely got it through only when they gave away a lot of pork to Ben Nelson/Neb. I'm not sure there is a better word for Obama than pragmatist. Definitely not liberal...

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 07:22 AM) FWIW I think Michelle Bachmann is still touring around the country on the money she raised during the 2012 primaries. For some of these guys, it's definitely about building their own brand and bringing in dump trucks full of cash. But that was probably 95% of the GOP field last time whereas this time around there are some more legitimate candidates. Alan Keyes, that was definitely about branding and books and speaking engagements, same with Huckabee now, Gingrich, Santorum, Trump and Fiorina. What is Herman Cain up to now, btw?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 08:56 AM) It's handcuffing your general manager's ability to build the roster in the way he sees fit, because the owner/president want to try to win now, every year. And/or the philosophical belief that draft spending was out of control and they weren't going to play that game without caps and slotting...therefore it was the responsibility of the White Sox to toe the line and follow JR's cue (with the notable exception of Borchard) until the playing field was finally equalized. That wasn't KW's doing. He was given an edict from above and had to follow it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 4, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) I wouldn't pull the Fulmer card just yet. Heck, even Rodon is far from a surefire All-Star at this point...