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QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 11:02 AM) To be fair though, the organization has not made much of an attempt to develop many hitters in the darft since 2010 here are the positions drafted in the first 5 rounds: 2015 - 3 Pitchers 2014 - 4 Pitchers - 1 Catcher (Austin) 2013 - 3 Pitchers - 1 SS (Anderson #1), 1 OF (May #13) 2012 - 2 Pitchers - 1 OF (Hawkins #8), 1 1B (Barnum #27), 1 2B (DeMichele), 1 SS Nick Basto 2011 - 4 Pitchers - 1 OF (Walker) 2010 - 5 Pitchers - 1 1B (Wilkins) So 21 pitchers and 9 position players drafted in that time span. Of the trades that have been made, the prospects that they have acquired have been: Samardzjia trade - 1 pitching prospect Gordon Beckham trade - 1 pitching prospect ADA trade - acquired 2 pitching prospects Adam Dunn trade - acquired 1 pitching prospect Jake Peavy trade - acquired 2 pitching prospects, 1 SS (Rondon #12) Jesse Crain trade - 1 pitching prospect, 1 3B prospect (Kline) Matt Thorntom trade - 1 OF prospect (Jacobs) Addison Reed trade - 1 3B prospect (Davidson #9) Jason Frasor trade - 2 pitching prospects Ozzie Guillen trade - 2 pitching prospects , 1 SS prospect (Martinez) Carlos Quentin trade - 2 pitching prospects Sergio Santos trade - 1 pitching prospect Scott Linebrink trade - 1 pitching prospect Thats 16 pitchers and 5 position players in trades in that time as well (not including ML ready players and spring training filler trades - true prospects) In all the Sox have added 37 pitchers to only 14 position players in the last five years in the top of draft or in trades. Of the 14 hitting prospects acquired - Kline, Wilkins, Jacobs, and Martinez are out of the org 6 of the remaining 10 are in the top 30 prospects. Yes guys like Walker and Barnum have been busts but they have made up for it by drafting guys like Michalzeski, Semien, and Johnson in the later rounds. Except for your last sentence, agreed. For them to truly be making up for anything, they'd have to be doing something (sustainable) at the major league level for the Sox OR be used in KW 2000's style to turn them into Ozzie-approved veterans like Jim Thome, Javy Vasquez or Edwin Jackson. Turning Semien/Phegley/Ravelo/Bassitt (three top 30 guys, and Phegley was one for a long time) into a one-year rental doesn't help much for 2016/17/18 when our core players are all in their collective primes.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 11:23 AM) ? Every team does the exact same thing. Except for the last five years, we've been worse at doing it than all but one team in baseball. So, if we did the exact same thing, our record, by definition, would be in the middle of the pack every year. But taking more shots at Don Cooper will certainly improve things. You know, it's quite funny how much you dislike Don Cooper, he has been the most loyal employee Jerry Reinsdorf has ever had, along with Harrelson, Nancy Faust and Herm Schneider. Apparently, we should always be loyal and supportive of the coaching staff, everyone BUT Don Cooper, who for some inexplicable reason must have tripped your dog or passed by you when while you were collecting money for the Salvation Army at a storefront at Christmas and flicked his cigarette ashes in your bin.

QUOTE (MEANS @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 11:19 AM) Carrol up, Noesi DFA'd Pitchfork crowd....not pacified in the least. (Although we have proven one thing, that we can rehabilitate guys like Humber and Noesi, to a point...only to dump them for nothing in return but the loss of that valuable playing time and experience which SHOULD have gone to a long-term solution from the minors but couldn't since there was nobody ready in the minors.") Shudders thinking of Carroll facing the Rangers the way they're going right now, which is probably why they want to protect Rodon after his last outing. "Good luck Jamie, take one for the team, buddy!"

"We want to invest in a full rebuild..." "No, we can't do that because the players we bring up suck (and will be worse than our current players), our minor league preparation sucks, we can't do anything but identify pitchers and Cubans in the first place." "Guess we have to keep investing in aging and expensive free agents and wait for their contracts to become albatrosses...to the point where we have to sell them off for 50 cents on the dollar." "Hmmm...." "Well, we've got Sale, Quintana, Rodon, Abreu, Robertson, Eaton, Garcia, Fulmer...how can you possibly blow up that core when you've got two superstars and possibly another along with two future All-Stars???" "Must be something missing from the equation. Gee, what could it be?" "Let's just ride things out with Flowers, Alexei, Danks, Sanchez, Cabrera....they can't be THIS bad forever. Look at the back of their baseball cards, those numbers mean something." "Look at our winning percentage and attendance since our annual second half collapse in 2010. That means something as well." Crickets. Cue soundtrack to "The Wheels on the Bus Go Round and Round"

9 dead, include a State Senator/pastor.... Being labelled by the FBI as a "hate crime" already. http://news.yahoo.com/shooting-downtown-ch...-031543897.html http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/charlesto...ting/index.html This one has a video freeze frame of the suspect.

That and the fact that most MLB hitters fail to get on base at least 65% of the time...if we had Billy Hamilton and he struck out or bunted into an out, we'd be complaining about that, too. At least LaRoche can legitimately tie the game there with one swing, which is better than most of our current line-up.

We might as well be upset we didn't bring in LaRussa or Leyland. That had about the same probability of happening as Maddon, which was essentially zero....unless JR was willing to break with policy and pay his manager in the top 3-5 in terms of salaries. Come to think of it, this is one area you can say the White Sox have been cheaper, if not cheap, compared to the Bulls especially. Why, I have no idea. Control? Easier to get former players to coach/manage for less money? On the other hand, Don Cooper has one of the highest, if not #1 overall, pitching coach salaries in baseball. Some perceive him to be an in-house "spy" loyal to only JR and the organization, and not to whoever's managing the team. That's not the best structure in the world...a house divided against itself cannot stand.

In all fairness, there are lots of guys like Dunn, LaRoche and David Ortiz out there. When you do something successfully for most of your career and then you reach your mid 30's, it's probably too late to change your approach...and certainly not in the middle of a season. Because something deep down tells you that if you're getting paid to hit homers and drive in runs but turn yourself into Joe Mauer, then you're not doing your job. It's one thing to think about hitting the ball hard and back up the middle, but another thing that works against these 1B/DH guys is the fact that they don't have the speed to leg out base hits in that direction, either. How many times did we watch Crede, Thome, AJ, Dye or Konerko hit into double plays in their time with the Sox? None of those guys were "selfish" players either, they were "winning" players with the Sox. The only difference is that when there's so little talent in the line-up offensively, more of the blame will find the 3 outcome/one-dimensional hitters like Dunn and LaRoche. It's human nature, especially with their higher salaries. It's one thing for young guys like Harper or Moustakas to change their approach and start going to the opposite way...even Avi, if he takes too many balls up the middle or to the right side, someone will immediately say he needs to hit 25-35 homers, not 15-18.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 09:10 PM) Actually just in AL Central, Guthrie KC 5.79 and Greene Det 5.82. are worst than Danks. Except Greene's back in the minors and Guthrie is on the verge of losing his spot in the rotation to Blanton/Duffy (DL)/Medlen (DL).

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 09:14 PM) Boston got Balttimore's #3 prospect for Miller at trading deadline last July and he was only a 2 month rental. But Miller was a FA at the end of the year, and not owed 3 years and over $30 million (although, in retrospect, the Orioles would have been better off not losing him right away).

Schwarber, Bryant and Russell combined tonight: 16 AB, 6 runs scored, 8 hits, triple (Schwarber), two homers (Bryant, grand slam and Russell), 9 RBI's That's one entire week for the White Sox. And that's without getting much of anything from Soler in the last month or so (now on the DL).

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 09:05 PM) Yes on all except Putnam and Petricka. Who the hell would want them?? They are bodies, nothing else. Have you looked at Putnam's strikeout to IP ratio recently? Not every team is like the Royals, where they have Hochevar, Frasor, Madson, Medlen, Herrera, Wade Davis and Holland for RH pitching depth. If anything, even KC could use Duke, because they're not 100% convinced Morales is the answer from the LH side.

The one thing KW is good at is bellicose bluster, which is at least symbolically helpful. When Hahn speaks, it's more like he's explaining the advantages of a merger between Netflix and Alibaba for proving streaming content in the Chinese mobiles devices market. Someone called him Rick Yawn. As much as KW and Ozzie were a combustible mixture, they were entertaining at least, and sports are about providing an escape for the fans. Right now, if you're the average 9 to 5 Joe the Plumber type, your life is being made even more vexing by the White Sox. Like Flash Tizzle said, at some point....you're wondering what it will take, a no hitter...how many innings in a row they can go without scoring, how bad can Danks/Cabrera/Sanchez/Flowers/Noesi be without any changes taking place. After a game like tonight, it's that whole idiotic "well, they fought back at the end...they gave it the 'ol college try...they didn't give up or get shut out...Danksie battled his butt off out there." Well, all those things might be true, but they're not going to build momentum for tomorrow, and every start that Danks takes up from this point is one that could be going to an Erik Johnson or Beck that will actually have an effect on the future of this organization and its ability to compete for a playoff spot.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 08:54 PM) Robin we're bad in the 1st Were also bad in the rest of the innings also. Oh, it was 30 innings in a row that the White Sox hadn't scored. That streak was broken. PROGRESS!!! I thought it was 28 but forgot we hit in the 9th inning the last two nights in Pittsburgh.

Well, exactly 7 years ago, we beat the Pirates 16-5 (Nate Snell took the loss) and were leading the AL Central by 4 games. Dye, Cabrera, Thome and Crede all homered. Remember when we could actually hit home runs, especially at USCF? 39-32 record.

QUOTE (harkness @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 08:48 PM) Hitting coach, ventura, all of them need to be gone now. Then KW and Rick Yawn better hope that miraculously changes things. Otherwise there time is on the horizon. Rick Yawn? Not quite up to the standard of Ronald Blow-a-savio last year, but not too bad.

1) White Sox are basically always on the wrong side of umpire's determinations/interpretations. 2) Danks battled. 3) The team didn't completely give up, so there's that. 4) Nobody can understand or figure out why they're doing so poorly in the 1st inning. Post-game summary from Ventura.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 07:47 PM) LaRoche against a lefty = Sanchez against a pitcher. Where has Lilian been these days?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 07:45 PM) Really poor decision to let Locke face Avi. Nicely done Avi Caminero throws 97-102. Maybe he wasn't warmed up enough, because that uprising came quickly.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 07:44 PM) I'm way too confident in an Avi bomb Cabrera was fortunate because he was stumbling around there....just not a great throw from Serpico Rodriguez in LF.

28 innings in a row without scoring....streak finally broken by Cabrera of all people.

8th strikeout, one away from a career high. Retired six in a row. Cy Chen, trademark/copyright pending.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 07:32 PM) f***, might as well cancel the next decade of baseball. Cubs have that s*** on wrap B. SI will finally not have jinxed someone if the Astros and Cubs face each other in the World Series, but it was supposed to happen next year.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:38 PM) For plans such as those to matetialize, we need another embarrassing loss. I know how people react to such comments, but tonight for example, what is benefited from a win? Changes need to be forced with any team, especially ours; and any start from here on out Danks craps the bed is preferable. Nothing is going to change otherwise Now you just jinxed Danks to get the infamous "quality start."

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 07:26 PM) What's the record for games being shut out in a row? I'm almost rooting for something historically bad to happen to force some change. Probably happened in the 1900's or 1910's or early 20's. Call/e-mail Elias Sports Bureau with that question.