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Nobody is claiming that all of the shots took place from inside the police car, are they?

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 08:05 AM) Definitely one of my favorites of all time and obviously one of my favorites of the century, put him up there with Frank, Jenks, AJ, PK, wonder how much publicity Mark would have gotten if he wasn't on the Second Team in the Second City, in my opinion, one of the best starters of the 00's along with CC, Oswalt, Halladay, Johan, that cowd of aces (off topic but baseball was more enjoyable in that 00's era that now in my opinion, just so much talent, and I'm not talking about roids guys either, just more exciting times, maybe because the White Sox are rebuilding now but I don't know, those Boston teams were some of the best teams in any sport of all time, really hope this game doesn't slowly die, need some more Manny's and Ichiro's and PK's and Buerhle's instead of these ignorant hustle shows like Puig and even Harper) At least 50-75% or more of the players today aren't using steroids. From that era, the only hitters who are going to make the Hall of Fame are Thomas, Griffey, Jr., Jeter and Omar Vizquel. Ichiro and David Ortiz are going to be questionable for different reasons, although Ichiro definitely deserves it if you consider his entire body of work career-wise. Then Pujols, who has a ton of questions surrounding him as well.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 07:42 AM) All entered from the front. So much for 50 percent of the posts on the previous page. Also the residue from the shot in the car would be on his clothes. And the shot through the top of the head suggest charging at the police. So lots of counterpoints to the innocent surrendering individual argument. How would he get shot through the top of the head, then make it out of the car and get shot 5 more times? (Never mind, see below). That doesn't make sense. That's a "kill shot" 99% of the time. Did they find any gunshot reside from a close-range shot or not? FERGUSON, Mo. — Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was killed by a police officer, sparking protests around the nation, was shot at least six times, including twice in the head, a preliminary private autopsy performed on Sunday found. One of the bullets entered the top of Mr. Brown’s skull, suggesting his head was bent forward when it struck him and caused a fatal injury, according to Dr. Michael M. Baden, the former chief medical examiner for the City of New York, who flew to Missouri on Sunday at the family’s request to conduct the separate autopsy. It was likely the last of bullets to hit him, he said. Mr. Brown, 18, was also shot four times in the right arm, he said, adding that all the bullets were fired into his front. The bullets did not appear to have been shot from very close range because no gunpowder was present on his body. However, that determination could change if it turns out that there is gunshot residue on Mr. Brown’s clothing, to which Dr. Baden did not have access. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/micha...st-6-times.html

Well, it's a double-edged sword. Don't start him in April or May and you're increasing the risk you get buried by another team early in the season...of course, this isn't like 2006 when the Twins, White Sox and Tigers were all 90 win teams and you couldn't putter along around .500 and hope to stay in the race. On the other hand, you don't want to end up pulling him from the starting rotation in the middle of August when the White Sox are one game back.

Does anyone know of any white/suburban community where the percentage of African-American officers is 94.3%. That would be the equivalent of the situation in Ferguson. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find ANY mostly white/suburban community where the percentage of minority officers was even 15-25%. Does anyone know of a single example??? In the predominantly black St. Louis suburb of Ferguson, where the shooting occurred, many residents say they have long been harassed and intimidated by the police department, which has just three black officers on its 53-member force. They also have no confidence in McCulloch, who has been a prosecutor since 1991. "He's not going to prosecute the police officers," said Robert Fowler, a 48-year-old electrician. "In the ghetto ... every police officer, he's letting go free. They call it justifiable homicide." Part of the skepticism stems from McCulloch's past. He comes from a family of police officers and, in 1964 when McCulloch was 12 years old, his father was fatally shot while responding to a call. Others point to a 2001 case, where McCulloch brought no charges against two officers who fired 21 shots into a vehicle, killing two black men during an attempted drug arrest. A McCulloch spokesman told The Associated Press the prosecutor has no plans to step aside from the Brown case. "The people of this county have placed their trust in me," McCulloch told TV station KMOV. "I've been as fair and impartial and done as thorough of a job as we could." Nasheed started an online petition and got more than 15,000 signatures within two days seeking a special prosecutor. "In the past, justice has not been achieved in these types of police shootings," said Clay, who represents the area. "So I have no comfort with local-authority prosecution, the judicial system or even police conducting a thorough and conclusive investigation that delivers justice to family of Michael Brown." "Simply put: he has a natural bias," Chappelle-Nadal, the local state senator, said of McCulloch. "My community doesn't trust him." Although it was not a racially charged scenario, Missouri does have a recent case in which a special prosecutor took over a highly publicized case. Last October, a prosecutor in rural northwest Missouri asked a judge to appoint a special prosecutor after public concerns that he didn't do enough before dropping felony charges against a teenage boy accused of sexually assaulting a younger girl. A judge appointed a Kansas City area prosecutor to take a new look at the case, and Matthew Barnett pleaded guilty in January to misdemeanor child endangerment. ___ www.yahoo.com/news

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Aug 18, 2014 -> 06:38 AM) I would be pretty pumped about a Sale/Q/Shields/Danks/Rodon rotation. Add in a veteran LH bat like Markakis or VMart and that is a serious playoff contender. I'm not sure Markakis has enough pop. He's a good player, but I'm not sure if he's a reliable run producer at this point in his career like Martinez. Most would describe him as a complementary piece of a team. Victor just scares the heck out of me...he's been so good the last two years, after being written off. I can just see him hitting that wall that every player hits in their mid to late 30's. Nelson Cruz is reaching that same point in his career, 34 or 35. Maybe he's the rare exception, another Julio Franco or Omar Vizquel...but I'll believe it when I see it. And the White Sox aren't contending for anything except last place without major improvements in the bullpen.

Well, some way or the other, they've got to do better than Hector Noesi as the #3 starter coming into next year if they want anyone to take them seriously as a threat, or if they want to sell any season tickets. As Alexei Ramirez is currently our only valuable trade chip who can possibly be traded (for a decent return)...yet...at the same time, pushing Rodon up quickly means the window starts next year, then they have ZERO choice but to spend money this off-season. Maybe you can trade Viciedo for someone like a Maurer, but then another hole in the line-up pops up if you do that. Perhaps they trade Danks for Edwin Jackson and hope against all hope that Cooper can get him straightened out again...haven't watched Jackson enough this season to know if the stuff he had 4 years ago is still there or not, how much is mental/psychological, etc.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 09:45 PM) 1) Sale 2) Q 3) ? 4) Rodon 5) Danks Who will be our #3? Justin Masterson or James Shields if they're planning to compete next season.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 08:30 PM) Corrupt/abusive police are definitely a huge problem. I always think back to that huge chicago cop who roughed up that small female bartender a few years ago. He didnt even receive jail time for this and the police tried to cover it up. Just to think if someone lays their hand on a cop for whatever reason it is a felony, but theyre not held to the same standard? Because of the nature of their jobs and the power they have I think police should be held to the highest standards and should face more severe penalties when they are violating the laws our tax dollars pay them to protect. Its sad that in this day and age we might need to have police officers on camera anytime they do something but something needs to change. Many schools and daycare centers around the world require them, and an incident where a child ends up dying or being abused in that environment has to be 10X rarer than a violent confrontation in an urban community, whether it's black, Hispanic or immigrant-dominated. It sucks for those teachers to feel like they're not trusted or constantly under the microscope, and a private school is different than a public police force which is funded by tax dollars...but that's probably the way it's going to have to be. If you don't want the scrutiny, you probably shouldn't become a law enforcement officer. I feel like police officers are not unlike baseball umpires. Probably 90-95% of them are good at their job or excellent, but the bad/negligent (or corrupt in the case of officers) 5-10% or whatever that number is ruin it for everyone else. It's the same thing with rioters/protesters. It's not the majority, it's probably that same 5-10% or outsiders or others trying to exploit the situation...in fact, last night the protesters stopped the looters from taking any more than they did, and that could have been a life-threatening situation since the police weren't attempting to intervene.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 08:29 PM) I don't know off-hand, but I'm sure it has, and that's f***ed up too. This is less about race for me and more about accountability. MAYBE Brown actually did go for the cop's gun and the cop was actually in danger, in which case his use of lethal force was authorized. How do we know though? We have a guy who has a clear interest in trying to justify it that way so that's what he'll say automatically, and he also has a system designed to back him up. On the other hand we have a dead guy. That's why I think cameras on the dash and/or the lapel are the way to go. Can't tell me they can't afford that but they can afford armored vehicles and other s*** in a town of 21,000. I'm pretty sure those were the county vehicles, but maybe I'm wrong...but not specifically earmarked for Ferguson but general use in a larger area.

QUOTE (Tex @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Thanks LF, I've been struggling with understanding the violence that is happening. It is easy to see this community as thugs. A few people describe him as a good kid and then we see the video. If this is a good kid in the community, what do you have to do to be a bad kid? I'm clearly a liberal who finds it easier to follow the teachings of Gandhi or Dr. King. But you point out experiences that I can't possibly understand. I can understand being ignored and followed in stores because it happens to me. I understand being passed over for jobs because I am not the majority. I've seen first hand friends being treated unfairly because of their skin color, but my outrage was always tempered by their shrug of the shoulders and moving on. But I've never been harassed by cops because of the color of my skin. We also don't know about what exactly was said by the store owner/clerk that day...I'm not saying anything justifies intimidating someone and walking out with cigars and not paying for them, but even the convenience store video has another side to it probably. With that said, America is based on the presumption of innocent until proven guilty. Of course, we all know of high-profile cases that appeared to be "slam dunks" moved away from the community where events transpired and not-guilty verdicts remarkably returned.

Has there ever been an example in recent history of an African-American officer shooting an unarmed white 20 year-old in a majority white area or suburb, for ostensibly walking in the middle of the road/blocking traffic?

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 04:42 PM) I have no idea how the comparison can be Maddux or Axelrod. That's a very wide spectrum. Okay, Chris Young of the Mariners, although he's also deceptive because of his height/frame which mysteriously comes with a 83-86 MPH fastball. It's the usual case of someone without a dominating fastball/stuff being compared to Maddux, and, if LH, Tom Glavine/Buehrle/Moyer. A lot of people think he can be a long-term member of the Cubs' rotation...then there are quite a few doubters because of his lack of stuff. Arrieta's still pitching quite well, but then they have a lot of question marks in Jacob Turner, Straily and Doubront, not to mention Wood, Wada, Beeler, CJ Edwards, P. Johnson, etc. If they trade Arrieta, it's quite possible nobody on the current major league roster will be in their rotation in 2016.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 04:49 PM) Yea and also if that bullpen gets phone calls. And if Abreu homers or drives in multiple runs.

Body cameras and dashboard cameras are going to be required for every police officer soon enough as a result of situations like this...it should protect BOTH sides, except for those guilty of crime OR police misconduct.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) Obviously both sides are guilty of wrongdoing. That being said I am finding hard to find empathy. Mike Brown was doing stereotypical black male actions. He was not minding his own business. He was doing criminal acts, not that the cop that shot him knew that. Now I'm not condoning the use lethal force on the kid but cops are human too. A lot of the decisions they have to make have to be quick where hesitation can get you or others killed. I think people that believe that all cops kill blacks kids for lolz are being disingenuous. Mike Brown is a tragedy but sadly s*** like this goes on everyday. Does that mean we accept it? No, but the looting, civil disobedience, and overall chaos in Ferguson is not going to bring that kid back. Would a cop do that to an 18 year old white sorority girl high on weed and drinking alcohol under age? She would be committing multiple criminal acts as well. We can turn this around later to make up a justification or rationale for the police officer's reaction...and maybe there's something that would exonerate him that we're not already hearing. But that doesn't make a whole lot of sense because they're already putting out the convenience store video and background/feel good/PR spin stories on the police officer. Why then withhold crucial information that directly controverts the prevailing storyline that's already widely-accepted in the Ferguson community?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 04:22 PM) His agenda is ratings. He knows Hawk generates calls and clicks. Hell we have a 100+ posts here about it. With Ozzie, Harry Caray, Mariotti, Mike North and Cowley all gone, Hawk's an easy target. Besides, it's kind of hard to get all bent out of shape about someone on The Score who doesn't even merit his own show when someone like Lawrence Holmes gets one.

Dunn is now teasing us with retirement talk. Unfortunately, it's 3 years too late.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 03:14 PM) Sox are 34-30 against teams with a 500 or better record and 25-35 against teams under 500 Our record against Minnesota isn't helping matters. We had that six game stretch against Minnesota and the Rangers where we could have gotten back to 1 game under and instead ended up back at 5 games under after playing well against the Tigers and Twins three weeks ago coming into that stretch. Of course, a lot of it has to do with Abreu's HR bat going cold at right about that time.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 03:07 PM) Second out I guess that makes a bit more sense with the lefty vs. lefty match-up against Gillaspie coming next...although Conor already had a GS earlier. Doesn't matter now...at least Avi was hustling AND didn't get hurt again. Somehow the White Sox went 5-2 against the Blue Jays this season, even though TOR was clearly the more dangerous team.

What the hell was DeAza doing? Luckily, Conor was there to save him from disaster.

Here we go again. Avi's over-aggressiveness going for a triple there might end up hurting, as you never make the 1st or 3rd out at third.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) It is amazing Abbatacola obviously hates Hawk after Hawk did so much for him using his name in his play by play. Kind of odd. That was a big break for Abbatacola that a Hall of Fame announcer like Hawk would use his name in his play by play regularly. Well...since those are broken bat infield grounders, not sure it's such a compliment. I'm sure it has something to do with either a golf or softball swing Abbatacola took in some type of Score event. And I wouldn't quite put his fame up there with Bob Rohrman and Alex and Ursula Snelius.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Aug 17, 2014 -> 12:54 PM) Gordon is blocking Semien, and Semien is ready. Dunn is blocking Avisail from DH duties, which is where I would like to see him for most of the rest of the season, for his own good. Unless they're going to DH him next season, he simply has to learn how to play RF and better protect himself out there.

Someone called into Steve Stone this morning on the Hit & Run show to ask a question. What do the White Sox need to do to improve their baserunning? Answer: "Get better baserunners."