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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 01:19 PM) I think there was more of a positive upside going into 2005. People still like Ozzie, they only fan favorite they lost was Maggs. They were also playing solid baseball. The economy is worse. Higher unemployment, lower consumer confidence, gas prices all seem to have an effect. With higher ticket prices I would imagine a family would put that amount towards the Bears or Bulls. Valentin and El Caballo say "hi!" In all seriousness, along with 2005/06, I think the more interesting comparison attendance-wise is 2008. That was coming out of the disaster of 2007, so there are a lot of similarities with 2011. First four months of 2008, when the Sox were in first place for most of that time: 15-20K=3 games 20-25K=8 games 25-30K=19 games 30-35K=9 games 35+=12 games An early Yankees series "only" averaged high 20's, but all the Cubs' home games were over 39000. The Saturday games in that year drew really well, no matter who the opponent was... In general, there's been a more than 5000 fan falloff from that time, coming off a bad 72-90.

QUOTE (Andrew @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) What is the point of this? It's an after game thread. And only Cubs fans think attendance justifies sucking. This team excels on the road (so far), encourage that. I don't even understand why you would try to rile him up...what the f*** is that going to do? Sox aren't going to trade a .5 game out, as long as they stay close to ASB, they shouldn't, the division is weak.... Really - Do you think an extra 10K fans are going to show up at the next homestand or something cuz you gave the "biz-naz" to Gregg? Who cares - relax. This division is absolute SHHHHIIIITTTTT and I'm amazed the Sox are even above .500! Enjoy it, you dummies! I'm not sure what to make of this post. I think they might turn up at Applebee's for baby back ribs and to discuss baseball with Ozzie....and maybe have some chicken wings with honey mustard dipping sauce.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 11:56 AM) Exactly! You get a total "rebuild" here and you are looking at 10,000 fans a game. You think 20,000 to 25,000 a night is bad. You just wait til the Sox go total rebuild. Sox just can't shake being team dysfunction. This home record is f***ing ridiculous. Winning nine and immediately going in the tank is incomprehensible, but it is the White Sox over and over again. Trading Konerko, BTW is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. For what??? Three prospects? What prospects do you want and think you can get? Greg, if you had Konerko, AJ and Buehrle along with our AAA/AA roster, what would the attendance be per game?

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 11:49 AM) Here's a thought...would we be better off with Flowers starting behind the plate or Hudson at 3rd? I think AJ could be a good trade piece. The Pirates have Alvarez and Casey Mcgee (who's been real good lately) over at 3rd, and the .222 hitting Rod Berajas behind the plate. Casey Michael McGehee has about a 700 OPS in the worst division in baseball, other than our own. That's fine, in and of itself, except that he's almost exclusively played 1B this year. Last season, he had a .942 fielding percentage at 3B. I just think you trade away AJ and make Flowers the full-time catcher, you're sending a message to his teammates that you're surrendering in a way. Flowers hits the ball hard, when he hits it, but that's not nearly often enough. His defense has been good, but that's not a clear enough upgrade to make that move from my standpoint. Maybe at some point KW will think he does need to completely shake up the team and trade away one of the veterans. In that sense, AJ would make perfect sense. But it could just as easily backfire completely.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 11:44 AM) Kenny will add before he dumps. This is a guy who has had opportunity to trade off players. The next time you will see a fire sale will involve a new GM and possibly a new ownership. It Will always want to have something to keep some season ticket holders to renew. Then it's going to have to be Sale and Viciedo. And the SUPER TOUGH decision about what to do with Konerko, when it comes down to it...you can make VERY compelling arguments both ways, and there's no chance with most to have that discussion without letting emotions enter into it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 11:36 AM) Yes it would, the only untouchable on the roster would be Sale. Dodgers would have to be very interested in Konerko and Peavy, as they have the money to spend. 1. Sale 2. Viciedo (unless you got bowled over with an offer) 3. DeAza (because it's so hard to find someone so cheaply who can do everything he does) 4. Jones/Reed (pick the one you think ends up the best closer and hold onto him, possibly deal the other) 5. Mitchell Those are the players I would most like to keep going forward.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 11:14 AM) That's true. When it bothers me too much, I just remember what my wife once told me when I was a little too consumed by the game... Its just a bunch of uneducated men in silly costumes, running around in dirt, trying to hit a ball with a stick. I'm assuming your wife is not Japanese, Korean, Dominican, Venezuelan or Puerto Rican, lol.

The two Dodgers games made me a lot angrier...or the Cardinals game with Peavy going against Lynn when Konerko grounded into the DP to end it and we couldn't convert any of our scoring chances. This was just more of a sense of resignation setting in after the botched bases loaded situation and then turning around and handing them two runs the next half inning.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 11:02 AM) They may have just lost Valverde for a good chunk of time, but that probably helps them. They still have Dotel and Benoit. However, I think Leyland eventually will go with Villarreal. He's got almost Zumaya-like stuff.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 10:59 AM) Yes, we are now going to trade Jake in a month, because we will be so many games behind the vaunted Indians and Tigers. The problem is that the Tigers are going to fix their problems because they have all the money in the world to do so. We don't, at least we keep hearing that. The odds still are they run away with this division before all is said and done.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 10:57 AM) And a few weeks ago our new hitting coach was a HERO on here. It's on the players, folks. They are SUCKING now as they did under Walker. So you suggest they do what, put the entire team on waivers and start over?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 10:57 AM) Give me Youkilis over Hudson. I can't recall the last time I saw someone who's defense cost the team so much. Mackowiak, perhaps. Josh Fields.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) Hudson is soooo bad. What a joke. I can't believe nobody else is sick of White Sox baseball ... win nine in a row and then play like total s*** again. Ridiculous baseball team. Can't beat the Cubs at home!! Can't beat f***ing anybody at home. DFA Hudson PLEASE. He's nothing. Does that really make you feel better now, lol? We couldn't beat the Cubs' AAA team today the way we're going.

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3 of our last 5 games given away. 6 of 7. SIGH. CUE RANT: The Royals will overtake the White Sox by the All-Star Break, Hosmer will win the Triple Crown, there won't be more than 12,121 fans for games in August when we're in 4th or 5th. White Sox suck at home. Ticket prices suck. Everything sucks. Hudson sucks. If we can't even beat the Cubs or Astros at home, we don't deserve to have a major league franchise, etc.

Well, at least we didn't go down 1-2-3. If only we could somehow give DeAza another crack at it.

Well, first place was nice while it lasted.

At least the Reds escaped. Hopefully Dick Allen's prediction comes true, but they're waiting an awfully long time to get started again.

Indians have two chances for walk-off win in bottom of the 9th, runner on 2nd. Hannahan and Cunningham or PH

Bullpen will get going soon. Peavy near 90 pitches, that was a long AB to Soriano.

Wood was the perfect match-up for Viciedo velocity-wise. The problem with games like this is that the White Sox have all the pressure on them and the Cubs can just play free and easy...those are tough, especially with how they've played at home.

How did Dunn miss THAT pitch? This is like getting shut down by Zach Stewart as the opposing pitcher, or Axelrod.

I think we're all sensing with another Gavin Floyd start looming, the danger of getting swept at home by the Cubs...if you looked at the pitching match-ups coming in, you would have given the first game to the Cubs, the second to Peavy and the third had to be a toss-up with how bad Gavin's been. Hopefully we can rally... And maybe it was the blown scoring opportunity followed by giving away 2 runs to the Cubs that has all the momentum going against us.

Cardinals rallying...Reds have a chance to push across tie-breaking run. I'd like to take credit for "reverse jinxing" Verlander since starting a pattern of calling games Tigers losses prematurely, then they always seem to rally and win. OR NOT.

Sigh. Tyler and Dunn on the same team next year? At least they won't have to run the auxiliary fans to keep the fans cool in the summer.