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QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 08:20 PM) You know what's amazing, as I take a step back....how quickly the buzz stopped regarding Griffey Jr. 1 for 13 with triples and ground rule doubles falling all around you will tend to do that. Amazing...but he's fading almost as fast as one of the best 2B of all time, Roberto "Remember the" Alomar. Or was that Sandy's nickname?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) No excuse to have Boone Logan in there in that spot, none. I know our pitching is thin, but to have Boone Logan put into a 1-1 game in the 7th inning of an August pennant race game is undefendable. I'd rather have put a righty in there, even with two lefties and a switch hitter starting the inning and Ortiz 5th in line. Logan has been the worst relief pitcher maybe in baseball the last 4 or 5 weeks. And now, because Ozzie put him in, we're done for the night. So you're on the record that you would have used Dotel or Adam Russell to start the 7th inning? Obviously, you're not advocating using Jenks (I hope).

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 08:15 PM) Consistent starting pitching and get the little things done. Not swing for the fences and dont have a hack hitting 2nd. The odds of beating the Red Sox and Dice-K with Carrasco, Logan and Russell were about 1 in 20. The Twins will have a very desperate Yankees team at home next week (usually the Yankees own the Twins, but not at the HHH)...then they have their longest road trip of the season...24 of their next 33 on the road after two home series (one against NYY) this week. Hey...without Crede, Linebrink and Contreras, nobody should expect the White Sox to hold off the Twins, especially with Liriano seemingly back and healthy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) Dear Ozzie...please quit If Russell (he of the 6+ ERA) grooves a 95-96 MPH fastball with no movement and Ortiz hits a Grand Slam, everyone's going to say, how could he put in a rookie RH reliever against David Ortiz. This was a message from Ozzie to Logan that you have to man up and get yourself out of the situation...there's about a 99% chance that is the last we will see of Logan with the White Sox this year.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 08:10 PM) Why are they playing to lose this game? I am stunned by the poor managing right now. Why is he still in there???? This is sad. Ummmm...because Adam Russell facing David Ortiz isn't exactly a high-percentage move. It's easy to manage a bullpen that actually gets the job done (see first half)...but we're looking more like 2007 now, except for Carrasco's fine outing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) Damn. This throws everything totally off. Jose's contract is now unmovable this offseason (any chance they had insurance on his deal of any sort?). That makes it much more difficult to clear the salary space to go after anyone big...and to top it off, now we absolutely need to plan to have another starter next season...which means we're going to have to look to spend some money this offseason since we traded away our best candidate to take a rotation spot last offseason (Gio), unless we're really going to rush Poreda. That means it's much harder to upgrade the infield if we're on a constant budget. Not to mention how much this hurts this year's chances. Richard and Poreda both had solid games last night at least. They did for David Wells' contract in 2001. I know that for a fact. I'm pretty sure it is standard operating procedure with older MLB pitchers. I don't know the exact amount of "compensation/subsidy" we would get back if Jose doesn't play next year...I'm thinking it's around 50-60%.

For all those clamoring for DJ Carrasco as a stater, make sure to pay some heed to his numbers last year in AAA... I know, I know, he's pitching well now at the major league level...so maybe they will go with him...but with a very short leash, shorter than Richard had. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/D.J.-Carrasco.shtml

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 07:32 PM) Well, there goes the Sox' best pitcher and probably the season with him. We don't need a fifth starter, we already have one--Vazquez. The Sox need a one or two to replace Contreras. Maybe a three..... When healthy, yes....he was the best pitcher in MLB for four-five months in 05 and 06, and one of the best the first couple of months this season. His velocity was back up at 93-94. When he was on, and his fastball was in the mid 90's (pushing 96-97), he was working at a faster pace,and his forkball was on, he was a sight to watch. Unfortunately, we're down at least one starter right now...with not much help in sight and very little to use as trade bait.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 07:13 PM) His career may be over in Chicago. This might take another season just to return 100% from. Do you think that Egbert, Poreda or Broadway are coming up now? I don't think we'll see Egbert. Due to his experience last season, PROBABLY Broadway...although he would definitely be on a very short leash. This is another area that the Masset trade kills us...he might have been our best back-up starter. I don't know what they'll do...it's a little late in the season to stretch out Mike MacDougal and make him a starter again, but they have to consider everything.

QUOTE (letsgoarow @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 07:08 PM) Ruptured Achilles Tendon....im guessing season ending Yep...hopefully he will be okay to start next season, but it's possible he won't be. Jose is a BIG guy, and that's a weight-bearing injury. According to Farmer, he will be out for one year...so that MIGHT be the end of his White Sox career. At best, he would be back at the All-Star break. So HUGE questions for KW and the future (both short and long-term) of this team. Do you take the risk and go for broke this year and trade Fields/Poreda, etc.? Can you possibly get a starter and reliever back at this time of the year? I guess the bright side is that the White Sox might have an insurance policy (like they did with David Wells in 2001) to get back some of the money if Contreras is unable to pitch again...so they could still have some money to play around with, but it won't help much getting a starting pitcher through the waiver wire.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 12:54 AM) Draft cutoff date this week. This kind of bluster is all fine and good, and most of the high-profile (first and second rounders) player we haven't signed have turned out to be blessings, but we're talking around $2.23 million here. We gave Joe Borchard well over twice that amount for nothing. KW needs to realize we're one of the clubs that's most vulnerable in terms of our farm system and the age of our roster, and that just because he's been able to piece together a contender this year, it doesn't mean this club is well-suited to be competitive 2-3 years down the road. It's really hard to imagine anyone but Quentin, Ramirez, Danks, Floyd and Jenks being around at that time...and even Jenks is iffy, because the White Sox typically don't like to pay $10 million plus per year to relievers and Bobby's going into arbitration I think. As much I would like to believe that Anderson and Fields will be starters and that Poreda will joining the rotation, I'm not convinced. When KW looks at his "mythical" big board, I wonder if there are any starters in our minor leagues right now? Maybe Shelby or Getz at 2B? Maybe Martinez or Silverio at SS, where we would seem to have less of a need now with Ramirez. So if we don't want to have one of the worst teams in baseball, we need to get this signing done. I'm still not convinced we would have been better off with Gio Gonzalez and Sweeney, and you could make an argument for Young over Vazquez simply because Young is affordable and athletic, and because we haven't been able to fill that position since Rowand was here...and even when Rowand was here, we kept trying to improve that position, refusing to see Rowand as an everyday player.

''Call his agent [scott Boras], I don't know. Joe Crede isn't going to help me right now. Good luck.'' Crede had an epidural Friday in Charlotte. The Sox will monitor the outcome before announcing a timetable for his return. Might Crede be nursing the injury because he'll be a free agent with millions at stake? (NICE ONE, COWLEY, JERK!!!) ''I'm not going to say yes or no because I can't read his mind,'' Guillen said. ''But I trust Joe because when he's hurt, Joe has played with pain the last three years. When he says he can't go, I know how bad the pain is. I don't think he's doing that. If he's doing that, I can't control that.'' from suntimes.com/sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Aio6...o&type=lgns

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 9, 2008 -> 01:48 AM) I would say that, as sad as it is, track stars are generally sought after because managers love guys who have the potential to hit .300 and get on at a .360 clip, even if said potential is, quite honestly, non-existent. I'd have a hard time seeing Owens clear waivers and what's worse is that his value is next to nothing. If there were any player I would consider never putting on waivers it's Owens. I guess it's somewhat similar to the Renaldo Nehemiah's or Alexander Wright's of the NFL. Except it's a little easier to take a track athlete and make him a WR than to take an athlete (see Michael Jordan) and make him into a .300 hitter. Neither usually works very well. I also remember all the hype about Anderson Gomes, and I don't think he will ever make it out of A ball, let alone come close to the White Sox roster. Still, the White Sox should make signing or identifying more "speed" players a priority...because Minnesota does it well. If it's not a "little" deal like bringing in Jason Tyner, it's drafting athletic players like Jacque Jones, Torii Hunter, Denard Span, or trading for D. Young and Carlos Gomez. Thank god that homefield advantage won't be quite so dramatic beginning in 2010.

QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:51 PM) I was thinking this as well, there probably wouldn't be much interest. Just looking through the list of names of relievers...it's all MEH!!!! Could anyone get excited about acquiring Doug Brocail, Luis Ayala or Tyler Walker? Ron Mahay? What about Heath Bell, Taylor Buchholz (he would cost a lot), Jim Johnson, Scott Downs, Ramon Ramirez (KC), Will Ohman, Sean Green (SEA), Jesse Carlson or David Weathers (I know his name has been mentioned many times)??? These are all among the current MLB leaders in "holds," meaning they're pitching in the 7th and 8th innings of games in which their team is leading. I don't think we should worry about RH versus LH at this point. We just need to find a quality reliever from either side to back up Dotel and Thornton.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:18 PM) Josh Fields, Brian Anderson and Jerry Owens would all have to pass through waivers before being traded. None would make it through. Well, I think Jerry Owens would have a 50/50 chance of making it through, due to his results this season and his advanced age.

QUOTE (griffey17 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:21 PM) Great win tonight...Mark pitched a gem....CQ continues to dominate! Well, the Royals loaded the bases against Nathan but couldn't break through. 4-1 Twins. Looks like Cuddyer might be out for the season, but Twins' fans (a small majority) actually prefer Span because of his defense, speed and lower number of strikeouts. Twins 8-2 this season against KC, White Sox 7-5. That needs to change to 10-5 or no worse than 9-6 this week.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 10:07 PM) it's probably frustrating when you ditch your own team for a bandwagon club like the Red Sox, then watch them choke away the division I don't think the Red Sox choked....the Devil Rays are winning this division. You can't take anything away from what they've accomplished so far this season.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 09:51 PM) Great win. I heard Mark was great, and I heard Q's HR on the way home from work. Sucks KC couldn't help us out but we need to keep on winning. Need a big one out of Jose tomorrow! Teahen could have tied the game with runners on 2nd and 3rd against Reyes, but struck out. It seems to be over now, if it wasn't already...two Twins runners on, no outs in the top of the 9th, and Nathan looming.

QUOTE (wilmot825 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 04:19 PM) Since we play the Red Sawks, we may make it in the first hour of Sportscenter and get some actual coverage. As we all know; ESPN is all devoted to Favre, Manny, and the Sawks and Yanks. Sad how 3 teams that were predicted to not even finish second are in playoff contention (White Sox, Rays, and Marlins) are hardly covered, except for Tampa. That will only happen if the Red Sox win the game...if they lose, it's buried at the bottom of the broadcast with only the boxscore.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 09:42 PM) There will be a thread by a poster here soon talking about the MVP race and how close it would come especially with the 1st place teams. (or second/third if close in the hunt) IMO, not even looking at stats, I would say it's a Quentin, Hamilton, A-Rod, Morneau race (I think Youk is having a damn good season too) and I'm sure someone here will probably compare each player. A-Rod has only 68 RBI's. With Joba out, I don't think there's any way that the Yankees can make it to the playoffs. Then again, stranger things have happened. I do HOPE A-Rod has a good series in the HHH Dome next week. That's about the only time I will root for the Yankees over another team.

QUOTE (JFields27 @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 09:37 PM) Chad Bradford was claimed already by the Rays, but yeah it could be nice to add a reliever. I dont know why we would deal Fields, and that's an unbias statement. Crede isnt resuming at AAA til next week and if we let him walk blah blah with that situation. Well, it seems like there are some pretty legit concerns that both Crede and Linebrink might be out for the rest of the season...from everything we're hearing and NOT hearing. Who would have thunk that Juan Uribe and Alexei Ramirez would be two very key starters in our infield...and that they'd be leading the White Sox in the heat of a pennant race in August?

QUOTE (tommy @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 09:30 PM) It seems like he's been stuck on 108 RBIs forever. I think Dye will siphon off some of his votes...but it could/should be close. I think Hamilton still is the sentimental favorite. You know the Rookie 2 movie is already in the pipeline at Walt Disney Studios.

Of course, a lot depends on the quality of that reliever...you would have to think it would be "veteran" reliever with a multi-million, multi-year contract, not someone like a Fuentes, Sherrill or Putz that would result in multiple claims by other teams. Someone like Chad Bradford or Denys Baez (I'm talking money, not necessarily quality here) 1) Josh Fields 2) Aaron Poreda 3) Juan Uribe 4) Silverio or J. Martinez 5) Chris Getz or Shelby 6) Jerry Owens or Brian Anderson Obviously, it would be nice if we could just give them Broadway, McCullough (sad to say about two former first rounders), Haeger, etc., but that doesn't seem to be reality with all the competition for the same thing. Maybe, in some ways, it's even trickier to find a consistent 8th inning set-up guy who can get the big outs...it seems capable closers are easier to identify. Maybe someone like Brandon Allen would draw some interest, too. Logically, if Carrasco keeps struggling like he did the last two Fridays (I know he did well in the 2nd Tigers' game)....then the logical choice is Adam Russell for that position. After that, you're pulling straws, taking someone like Link from the minors.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 8, 2008 -> 09:10 PM) puh-lease.... You can stretch you guys a little bit...especially the way Mark threw tonight. 110 isn't that bad. Don't be so dramatic. If he gets Varitek, sure, keep him in against Crisp. In the way that modern baseball is played, however, and considering what we're paying Dotel...if he can't hold that lead or get out of that inning, I'm not sure how that is on Ozzie Guillen. Thornton is a little like Thome...something happens to him when the game's really on the line, and I just don't trust him against Youkilis in that situation. I guess it worked out doing it Ozzie's way after all.