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Disasster for Nick Gordon there.

Greetings from Vienna Austria

for short stretches, Loiaza and Contreras

Jose Contreras Black Jack McDowell Freddy Garcia Easy Ed Walsh Years with the club: 1904-1916 Ed Walsh was the first of many great White Sox pitchers in history. A World Series Champion in 1906, Walsh put up numbers that look downright silly considering how much the game has changed since his time. He had five seasons with 20+ victories, including 40, yes 40 in 1908. Walsh holds the record for career ERA with 1.82. He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1946. Ted Lyons...hard to compare because his stats other than career wins look relatively pedestrian. Of course, the same goes for Walsh in the opposite way. Let's just say if Dylan can do this for another couple of seasons...at least one more, then you start to have a real argument. Giolito entering this season had a VERY VERY solid stretch of three season, and overall 12.6/4=3.15 fWAR, and that's not prorated for 2020 so it's closer to 3.5 in actuality. Cease is 8.2 over 3 and 8.5 including just 2021-2022. All things considered, if Cease has ONE MORE fully healthy season with a 4+ fWAR, then you're talking. Carlos Rodon is at 10.3 for the last two years, for example. Now obviously he's on the Giants now, but I think two years vs. three years makes a significant difference. (the comparison is more about performance level, because Rodon's obviously NOT RH.) With Giolito, he was VERY solid for three seasons, but not four...so Lucas falls into that Black Jack McDowell but slightly lesser than since he never quite peaked at Cy Young level before falling off. With Dylan, not winning against the Astros in the post-season and not starting against OAK the previous year is another cross he has to bear before we can start saying greatest of all-time Sox RHP. On the other hand, with Buehrle/Sale/Pierce at LHP is quite obvious. And looking back over the years, there's also a real case here for Eddie Cicotte of the Black Sox Era teams.

Twins' bullpen guy Moran loses the no-no against Witt Jr., didn't even make it to one or two outs like Dylan Cease.

91-93...getting by on fumes apparently. Never would have thought that Lynn would have the better stuff at this point.

But how many mentions of "professional at-bats" per game at this point?

You mean $36 million. Pollock will be $12-13 depending on final number of at-bats, Grandal $18.25, Leury $6.5 million.

6-0 Twins, Ryan a no-hitter over KC so far, Royals 0/17 hitting against him so far.

Leury only $16.5 million for three years, Emmanuel Clase $20 million for four years, lol.

Clase leading the world in saves. Clase signed with the San Diego Padres as an international free agent on February 11, 2015 for a $125,000 signing bonus.[2] He played for the DSL Padres in 2015, going 2–1 with a 1.99 ERA in 54 innings. In 2016 he played for the AZL Padres, going 2–0 with a 4.01 ERA in 24+2⁄3 innings. In 2017 he played for the AZL Padres (2), going 2–4 with a 5.30 ERA in 35+2⁄3 innings, and in one game with the Tri-City Dust Devils of the Class A Short Season Northwest League, allowing 5 runs in 3+1⁄3 innings.[2] Texas Rangers[edit] On May 7, 2018, the Padres traded Clase to the Texas Rangers as the player to be named later in an earlier trade for Brett Nicholas.[3] Clase was assigned to the Spokane Indians of the Class A Short Season Northwest League, and finished the 2018 season after going 1–1 with a 0.64 ERA, 27 strikeouts, and 12 saves in 28+1⁄3 innings.[2] Clase was assigned to the Down East Wood Ducks of the Class A-Advanced Carolina League to open the 2019 season.[4] He appeared in 6 games for them, going 2–0 with a 0.00 ERA, 1 save, and 11 strikeouts in 7 innings.[2] On April 23, he was promoted to the Frisco RoughRiders of the Double-A Texas League, and went 1–2 with a 3.35 ERA and 39 strikeouts over 37+2⁄3 innings.[5][2] On August 2, 2019, the Rangers selected Clase's contract and promoted him to the MLB.[6][7] He made his MLB debut on August 4, pitching 1+2⁄3 scoreless innings.[8] Clase produced a 2–3 record with a 2.31 ERA and 21 strikeouts over 23+1⁄3 innings in 2019.[9] His cutter was on average the fastest in MLB, at 99.2 miles per hour (159.6 km/h).[10] Cleveland Indians / Guardians[edit] On December 15, 2019, the Rangers traded Clase and Delino DeShields Jr. to the Cleveland Indians in exchange for Corey Kluber and cash considerations.[11] Clase was suspended for 80 games on May 1, 2020, after testing positive for Boldenone, a banned PED.[12] Due to the COVID-19 pandemic and the shortening of the 2020 Major League Baseball season to 60 games, Clase's suspension was lifted at the conclusion of the shortened 2020 season.[citation needed] Clase returned to the Indians' bullpen for the 2021 season. After converting all six save opportunities in August and holding opposing batters to an .095 average, he was named AL Reliever of the Month.[13] On April 2, 2022, Clase agreed to a five-year $20 million extension with the Cleveland Guardians.

Trade Vaughn you're doubling down on stupidity. You have to let Abreu go, period. You don't draft Rodon, Madrigal and Vaughn in the Top 5 to get rid of them with almost nothing to show for it. Looks carefully at Oscar Gonzalez and Stephen Kwan and how much they cost the Guardians to acquire...shakes head. Looks at the Top 4 guys down in their bullpen, shakes head again. Looks at the cost to bring their Top 5 starting pitchers into the rotation, along with Konnor Pilkington. Getting better production out of Gimenez and Rosario for a shadow of Lindor's contract and 1 fWAR point higher, covering two positions.

I totaled it up. 3.8 for all those players vs. 0.7 for CLEVINGER. Of course, Gimenez and Rosario=6.9, Lindor, not that much, lol. 5.7 is solid, though. Still, those two players allowed them to save a boatload on Francisco's salary, probably allowed them to sign Jose Ramirez instead and potentially keep Bieber around...or they can invest it in Clase/Karinchak/bullpen guys, too. The other key is whether they want to try to keep Rosario around past his walk year next season. The strange thing is that Kwan's the third best position player at 3.1. Numbers 4-6 all fall in the 1.4-1.7 range, which is about where many predicted Nick Madrigal would be. Amazing how top heavy those top two hitters in Ramirez and Gimenez are. Clevinger was 4.2 in 2018, 4.5 in 2019, but from 2020-22 only 1.4 fWAR combined. White Sox will probably spend a ton on him in FA, lol. Or cast Davis Martin as the second coming of...something.

Without that Clevinger deal for Quantrill, Naylor, Hedges, Owen Miller and Gabriel Arias...the division isn't even that close and the White Sox still win the Central by 3-5. Not to mention Franmil Reyes is providing Cubs' fans some excitement, lol.

The Guardians are winning with almost all rookie or second year/Rule 5 bullpen guys...rookies or 2nd year players at every position on the field but Gimenez/Rosario/Jose Ramirez...and currently down two starting pitchers. No excuses.

6 out of 7 now and counting

We're 3 1/2 games out. We can easily pick about 15-20 games that we coulda shoulda won.

They did sell. Their own Sandy Leon to the Twins, and LHP Alex Young to the Giants. Looks like the Sox need 15-6 or 14-7 (best case scenario) if the Guardians go 11-11 or 10-12. That's also taking into consideration the White Sox need to beat the Twins/Padres and the Guardians can beat up on the Royals...the Rays and their battle for the AL East and position versus Toronto and Seattle is the only other issue to be decided, but definitely not likely to be playing as desperately as the Pads.

Yeah, somehow if the Astros can replace Correa with a player $32+ million cheaper, lol. That said, Royce Lewis is going to miss a good portion of next year, too. Maybe they go to Nick Gordon. Certainly will not put Polanco back at SS, no matter what happens. Basically, the White Sox need to move forward and away from as many veterans as possible. Graveman should be traded. Kelly if it requires eating 50-60% of his deal, which means they'll wait for the rebound that won't come. Dump Leury, no matter what it costs. Dump Engel. No more Abreu. Would explore every possibility to move on from Hendriks deal. Gotta get younger/faster/stronger/hungrier. That's the only way to keep up with Guardians, who have one of the best farm systems in baseball and already the youngest or certainly one of the 3-5 youngest teams in baseball. That also means they're kind of stuck where they are with Moncada, Pollock, Robert, TA7, Jimenez and Vaughn. You go forward with those guys because you have little to no choice. At least Jimenez looks like something similar to his old/er version, knock on wood with that one. Seems Grandal...Giolito/Lynn...and all those aforementioned names are the key/s to next season, and no TLR and/or Hahn and or/KW. Kopech has to take it to the next level instead of kind of fading down the stretch like these past two years (there are obvious reasons for this which are pointless to discuss, but his secondary pitches need to jump like Dylan's have). Or he'll just be a promising pitcher with a big name but a perennial underachiever. Give those promising young guys like Colas and possibly Montgomery (more skeptical on that front, too big of a jump) a shot. Give Romy, Lenyn Sosa, whoever shows up in ST and looks like a baller a chance to get in the mix. Also need to move on from Mendick. As much as a housecleaning as possible on the fringes. Obviously Seby sticks around, too. Really think they have to cut as much salary from the pen, and push Reynaldo into a much bigger role. More than anything, this team lacks a superstar. It was supposed to be Robert or Moncada, but, well, we know that story well. Currently, TA7 (or Dylan Cease) is/are the closest, but he's going to cross that boundary soon enough where he might be worth more to another team than Chicago, with Montgomery in the pipeline and the ever-present need to cut significant salary SOMEWHERE and get even younger across the board. Watching O'Neil Cruz now...we need his equivalent to inject some massive enthusiasm into the fanbase. Probably he's already on the 40 man roster. Maybe Colas or Montgomery or Vera, who knows? Skeptical about anyone thinking Conforto or Nimmo or their equivalent will fix this franchise. One thing that's for sure is that Hahn will LIKELY argue/assert Sheets based off his hot second half needs to be part of the blueprint again in 2023, and that's such a dangerous proposition to rely on him yet again and end up disappointed. Then again, we've been looking for LH hitters for seemingly a decade and we might as well be looking for the Titanic's fictional "Blue Diamond of the Ocean" or whatever that diamond was named that was famously thrown overboard into a 2-3 mile deep trench..

Guess it's Alfaro and not Nola...Colombians love to be colorful. Crismatt is the other Colombiano on that team.

Ray Durham was pretty damned good, but he wasn't the type of defensive player (other than on pop-ups into short RF and foul territory) that could get himself 1-1.5 fWAR points on defense ALONE.

I do think they're definitely at kind of a crossroads. Probably too late for Kenta Maeda to come back and make any type of difference. He's the type of bargain pitcher the Sox might be looking at instead of a Rodon or deGrom or Thor type. They probably have to dump Sano...they've still got lots of talent, especially Buxton, but can he and Correa ever put it together for one entire season? Probably too late to find out. Odds are that Correa will likely opt out and take his chances with a better team but may even less money betting on himself again for 2024. The Twins' starting pitching began the season as something of mystery, became a relatively strength (especially with Chris Paddack) and eventually both it and the bullpen morphed into a weakness. They now have the fewest number of innings pitched by their starters now of any team in the majors, with the Tigers being right there with them at 6th from the last. Of course the Astros are the opposite in this category. The problem is that while they have a lot of "nice" looking young/er talent (especially Miranda and Nick Gordon), the Guardians have 3-5X as much talent despite one of the lowest payrolls in the entire major leagues, and certainly the best manager and "clutch-iest" team in the division. If someone hasn't already stuck a fork into them . . . you need to now, they're definitely done! BTW, so are Falvey, Lavine and Baldelli . . it's time to flush them down and start over. thumb_upLIKEreplyREPLY remove trythinking 4 hours ago Clean house with the leadership, like the Vikings did. If it doesn’t, this disaster will continue. Their time has now passed. thumb_upLIKE2replyREPLY remove FlyerJack 5 hours ago In the early 2000’s when this division was crappy Gardy could usually win it but now when it’s crappy Rocco can finish 3rd at best. thumb_upLIKE1replyREPLY remove sfgiants 6 hours ago Is contraction still an option? thumb_upLIKE1replyREPLY remove ham2846 6 hours ago Cleveland is two years ahead of us in with the players they have on their roster thumb_upLIKE1replyREPLY

Guardians sweep series, 4-1 win knocks Twins under .500 for first time since April (startribune.com) If someone hasn't already stuck a fork into them . . . you need to now, they're definitely done! BTW, so are Falvey, Lavine and Baldelli . . it's time to flush them down and start over. thumb_upLIKEreplyREPLY remove trythinking 4 hours ago Clean house with the leadership, like the Vikings did. If it doesn’t, this disaster will continue. Their time has now passed. thumb_upLIKE2replyREPLY remove FlyerJack 5 hours ago In the early 2000’s when this division was crappy Gardy could usually win it but now when it’s crappy Rocco can finish 3rd at best. thumb_upLIKE1replyREPLY remove sfgiants 6 hours ago Is contraction still an option? thumb_upLIKE1replyREPLY remove ham2846 6 hours ago Cleveland is two years ahead of us in with the players they have on their roster thumb_upLIKE1replyREPLY

Clayton and Duper, the Marks Brothers. Never had great defenses then...and I hated Jimmie Johnson because my dad went to Oklahoma and he coached at Ok.State. I think all that offense too early in life is what led to the Kirk Ferentz years at Iowa, haha. Then again, did have Oklahoma over that stretch to compensate with infuriatingly lax defenses after that one national championship over Florida State in around 1999. Then they started losing consistently to USC, LSU, Florida/Tebow, etc., because they didn't ever have enough defense. We'll see with Venables/Riley now at OU/USC now.

Except Jimenez and Cease, lol.