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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 05:23 AM) Amid MLB's home run revolution, free-agent sluggers could come cheap http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2161090...gers-come-cheap Yea - we're not getting what abreu needs to be worth for us to trade him IMO

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Nov 30, 2017 -> 12:26 AM) I think it Comes down to the Price. if Hahn gets a haul abreu will be gone, no doubt about that. but if they only get a marginal package they might just as well Keep him around to make moncada and Robert happy. but if you get a really good package you Need to trade him, Team chemistry is important but most important is Talent. It's either trade or extend. There really is no other option. I could be content with both directions, really.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:34 PM) I would love those but abreu is projected for about 4.5 WAR in two years of control which is worth roughly 40M on the open market. The thing that's really impossible to speculate or evaluate is the intangible value that Abreu brings, specifically to our club during those next two years. How much of an impact will he have on Moncada over these two years? What is the value of that? How much of an impact will Abreu have on Robert whenever they're together in the Spring or at other potential times in 2019? What does his leadership translate to that will last past his contract which can equate to some value? It's completely impossible to say but I'd wager that Abreu has the most "intangible value" on our team than any of the other 29 out there. Because of this... and this alone... I just don't see him being moved. If Hahn does pull the trigger, I won't be entirely shocked but the return is sure to be both arms and both legs if it goes down.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:22 PM) Again do some research on threads. I think that instead my time may just be prioritized to other endeavors but thanks for the invitation! QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:22 PM) I stand up for my favorite players for sure and I argue against some of the current vision of the front office, butI don't complain always. Ok, yea - complain isn't the right term... but it's hard to exactly put a name to what it is that you do, considering that I'm unable to say a certain 4 letter word on Soxtalk which both starts and ends with P... sandwiched between which are two Os. Perhaps we should just call it "gregging." You're constantly gregging, dude. QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:22 PM) Did you read my long reply on the future lineup/roster? I listed players at each position gave my takes. Nobody responds to my normal reaction posts. I read it and responded to it. Here's another aspect of "gregging." Presenting false information during an assertion. QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:22 PM) Some people get me; most don't. I'm a great Sox fan IMO. If I had a vagina it would be.... wait a minute... to graphic... against board policy. Must comply. Let's just say that I wub the gregging. Smooch smooch buttercup.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 06:42 PM) You can't admit this board is EXTREMELY happy with anything the front office does? This is a pro front office message board. Because we didn't execute it right. Sox have had miserable guys in Buddy Bell on the organizational level and Robin Ventura as manager. They've arguably made some of the most bonehead acquisitions ever in trying to bring in guys to win. The ONLY way to win is not trade everybody and rebuild. Some teams with cash have done just fine in adding guys to buy a pennant. I personally think our front office gets a free pass on almost everything on here. Seriously GreggiePoo, why are you still frequenting this site? I honestly can't recall a time when you've done anything other than complain.

QUOTE (Scoots @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 07:18 PM) Anyone else feel like this Jose Abreu trade talk is way at overrated? Maybe because of the extremely slow off-season and this was the only remotely interesting thing that anyone could latch on to? Absolutely. I bet our "interest" in JBJ and the Red Sox "talking actively" with us in actuality amounted to this: Hahn Calls DD... "let us know if you decide to field calls about Bradley." DD: "Ok. We're interested in Abreu." Hahn... "price is high... like super f***ing high." DD: "figured, thanks"

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 02:36 PM) What have they done since 2005 to earn patience from our fan base? Pretty much every year since then they've done basically what you advocate... and it hasn't worked... at all. So their failure has earned my patience in trying something new... sometimes hung new which has seen success for other teams.

I don't get the Chavis love... as a secondary piece for Abreu - hell yea... but not as the centerpiece... to me that would be too light. Can someone enlighten me please?

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) He better have really wanted him... I've yet to find someone who was super happy with that deal though (like the others) While it wasn't as much of a slam dunk as the other trades - I was and still am happy with it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 08:39 AM) Totally agree. I love the guy. Same here. I really wouldn't mind if Abreu and Avi stuck around this year... for different reasons.

I'll add this... I've seen Avi make some completely bonehead baserunning blunders and noted a few last year. That said, I did feel that last year he was more focused even on the bases and didn't fall as hard as in years past. I won't offer any stats.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) Because we've been commenting on your position for almost a year now. We are kinda tired of it. It's not our fault you ignore what we say and continue to blindly post. I actually thought that his recently stated position showed some change. Seems to me that ( at least in that post ), he's on board with the same plan that management is executing.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) In other words you proved my point. Sox fans don't want to spend money. Machado and Harper love doesn't count. We aint getting them. Holy "taking things out of context," Batman!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) Jerry Crasnick‏Verified account @jcrasnick 39m39 minutes ago Rob Manfred shed a little more light on John Coppolella's lifetime ban from baseball in an interview with @GolicAndWingo today. "While the #Braves were completely cooperative in the investigative process, I can't say the same for John,'' Manfred said. Wow ??‍♂️

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 07:15 AM) If they both hit FA right now I think JBJ would dramatically outearn Garcia. If they both are 3-4 win players for the next 2 seasons, then I'd imagine their deals would come out pretty comparable and right around that 9 figure mark. Yea, I just think that JBJ is the safe bet to be a 2 or 3 WAR guy over the next 3 years where as with Garcia I could see him being anywhere from a replacement level guy to a 5+ guy. So for me, Avi is the higher risk higher reward asset and I'd personally hold onto him to let my chips ride.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) I'm just not sold on Avi. It's the lack of power and poor defense that get me. I would happily take JBJ over Avi. It'll be interesting to see how both of the rest of their contracts end up and how their next deals are once reaching FA. I can easily see both sides of this option.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) Someone around here has to take you seriously some times. I've been forced into a permanent constipation... sadly.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 10:15 PM) What about JBJ for Avi swap? How far off is that? I'd rather put my bet on Avi... might be considered a higher risk bet but I'd wager the reward potential is worth it.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 08:42 PM) I don't think the Sox are planning on him being part of their core, but, if you can get JBJ along with some other pieces for Abreu you have a decent chance getting a lot of surplus value in that deal. You are gambling a bit on JBJ rebounding can put together another season like 2016, you can spin him next winter for a package more valuable than Abreu now. Thanks to you and others above - I get the logic now... hard to believe that they'd take that gamble. That is being said by a guy who thinks having Avery here next year is worth more than just his WAR measurement.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) Dear Mr. Ohtani. Congratulations on your decision to play in the most talented league in the world. I am sure you will find success with any team you choose because you are dedicated to your craft. The Chicago White Soc offer a unique opportunity to be part of a winning culture for many years. The Sox expect to contend in a short period of time with many talented young players on the rise at the major league and minor league level.Your arrival here as a pitcher and position player would greatly enhance the projected window of contention. It would be a fools errand to make any promises at this point. You certainly would have a place in the lineup and on the mound but to what degree is uncertain now but will be answered in due time with regards to how our other players develop and also as you develop and adjust to the league. Chicago is a big city to be sure but has a small town feel to it. The people of the midwest part of the United States have always been known for their work ethic and family values.. There is a rich cultural diversity among the citizens and although the Japanese community is not as large as some other cities I think you would find enrichment with how the White Sox celebrate our multi-cultural city. The White Sox can also offer a very good track record over the past 10-15 years for keeping players healthy. Some might dismiss that track record as good fortune but we believe it is the result of an excellent staff who stress the importance of communication concerning one's health. We look forward to being very competitive to our goal of making the playoffs multiple years and competing for a World Championship. It would be wonderful to add you to our family and pursue these goals together with a strong resolve. You have a unique opportunity for the adventure of a lifetime and we would be very pleased to have that adventure start and continue with the Chicago White Sox for many years to come. Good fortune and good health to you and those you love . Best wishes, The Chicago White Sox Thanks for playin along Ron. I've been too slammed still in "real life" to write mine... but kudos. Cheers

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 02:56 PM) I don't mind buying low on JBJ as a piece in an Abreu deal. He plays GG caliber defense and is serviceable as a hitter. If he regresses to his 2016 form you have a MVP level player as a core piece or trade chip. But he's only available for 1 additional year past Abreu.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 08:26 AM) You guys who only want prospects to be our rebuilt WS team frustrate me. Who is saying that the next rebuilt team will feature no established players?

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) Only thing I've seen is that he wants to be a two-way player. Don't where 600 came from ( someone's arse). Perhaps it was this? QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) Does he really want a promise of 600 at bats? I can't see anything before this about it.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 10:55 PM) KW Vs Hahn ca 2015