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QUOTE (mr_genius @ Mar 22, 2010 -> 12:01 AM) i heard immigration reform is next. the next chapter might, amazingly enough, be worse. Yeah... oh my god I still remember when President Bush tried pushing what was actually a pretty reasonable compromise. What a clusterf***

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 11:57 PM) i thought you already worked for the government? just get a transfer. maybe the work parking pass/sticker would have a skull and crossbones on it. everyone would know you were on the death panel and give you gifts. I'm a contractor actually, if I wanted to be hired by the government to do my same job I'd still have to put in an application

Huffpo commenters have been whining for months about how Obama abandoned them and they want to primary him because he is a failure, weak leader who hasn't accomplished anything etc. and they hate this bill and now they're pretty much ecstatic. I wonder if support is going to come back from the left now that it's actually passed? It's kind of odd, because only in the last month or so did they actually start really pushing the bill that they hated a couple of months ago. It's like the more they saw Obama in public pushing healthcare reform the more they supported it, and if he was staying quiet they would get all pissy. Eh whatever I'm just glad this embarrassing chapter is close to over, so on to the next agenda item

When this is signed into law I'm putting in an application for a federal job so I can become a government bureaucrat that sits on a death panel. I want to kill old people just because they're old.

You've said the same thing like 100 times (probably not an exaggeration) regardless of the changes that have happened to the actual bill over the past few months.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 09:12 PM) No, it really isn't but keep pushing those talking points. Yawn. I don't even go anywhere that actually pushes talking points. Thanks for dumbing this down though. HOLY s*** THIS IS THE WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO THIS NATION! THE REPUBLIC IS DEAD! FASCISM HERE WE COME! That's better, no?

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 04:25 PM) To get Stupak and the four or five votes he has left in his bloc to flip to Yes, Obama promised an Executive Order that affirmed that federal funding for abortions in this act will not be possible due to the Hyde amendment. Stupak got nothing other than the President saying this won't change settled law on federally funded abortions. It must've been to save face at that point because he was getting increasingly irrelevant.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 07:07 PM) Why? Then John McCain was the perfect candidate. Yea, that worked. It cracks me up that they are "far right" because they don't want any part of this health care bill that's SOOOOOOOOO compassionate and all. This plan is in essence what the Republicans proposed years ago. They only recently decided they didn't like it. Its kind of surreal to see Romney a couple of weeks back running away from his most significant accomplishment as governor because Romneycare looked an awful lot like Obamacare. McCain losing the general election didn't have much of anything to do with how moderate or far right he was. People at that point were sick of Republicans and he had to bear that cross. They looked at him, they looked at Obama, they decided they wanted Obama, simple as that.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) Is BO going to implement an Executive Order on Abortion?..........If so, why? if there is no funding for abortion in the Senate Bill?........... I really don't know why this would be necessary either. That's been settled law for decades and I haven't seen any current legislation that's going to change it.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 01:39 PM) why 3 votes? Vote on the rule to proceed Vote for the December Senate bill Vote for changes/fixes to Senate bill Then it goes back to the Senate to go through reconciliation

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Mar 21, 2010 -> 11:34 AM) what time is the vote? They meet at 1 and I think start voting about 2. There's 3 votes

Grass? Nice. I'm in

My xbox live acc***'s credit card expired and instead of updating it I think ill just let it lapse and ill just have silver instead of gold. I'm really bored with shooters and I don't like the type of people that play those games frankly because they're just obnoxious, and I really don't do multiplayer that much.

By last year almost nobody, except for like 2 or 3 posters, still thought he was a good defensive RF.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 20, 2010 -> 10:27 PM) Kap, are you still conflating opposition to this specific bill to support for conservative opposition to the bill? Yeah, really not the same thing at all.. what is funny to me is that the current bill is essentially the Republican plan until a couple of years ago until they got unpopular and made new priorities.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 20, 2010 -> 09:34 PM) Why don't you just say me, lf? And your whole post is bulls***. I would have if I was calling you out directly and I've done that before, but why would I do that here? I'm talking about the hundreds of times I've seen that in the past year, not only from you. I mean, you happen to be basically parroting everything I read on conservative boards (when I have the patience to go there), but you want me to specify when I'm talking directly to you and when I'm not? I don't understand, but generally if I don't quote you I start with "kap..."

QUOTE (ottawa_sox @ Mar 18, 2010 -> 10:23 PM) Royce Clayton used to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Making a joke here would be too easy so I'll pass.

Well even right now, November looks so bad for the Democrats right now is because of the economy, not because of healthcare, like conservatives like to think right now. People's opinions on healthcare haven't really changed that much except for maybe some conservatives that were open to the idea a year ago aren't anymore and some liberals that wanted more don't like that the bill doesn't have a public option.

Nicely done Jason.

I'm not sure if I've said this in this 3000+ post thread yet but people who keep saying "the vast majority of Americans do not want this bill" are either full of s*** or are taking cues from the anti-bill crowd (i.e. any Fox News talking head, Michelle Malkin, those kind of people) who basically make up data. I've been watching polls on it since the argument first started last winter - so in reality it's split almost right down the middle, roughly along party lines, usually something like 46% against 43% in favor, the remaining 11% undecided. The "in favor" numbers were in the 50s until a few months ago when the public option died, and a lot of liberals got disappointed or pissed off because the bill is too weak. Polling data really doesn't matter anyway, when a party has a priority as clear as this one, and they get elected with big majorities like the Democrats have right now, they're going to try to pass it... I don't really have much sympathy for a politician who votes a certain way only because he/she is trying to get re-elected and I don't really think that many other people do either.

So my older brother posts a status about a church service on Facebook and apparently someone named "Javier Vazquez" likes it.

There's not much new really except for a few style points. Just look at the version that passed the Senate in December and that's pretty much what it is (don't really know why Stupak is being so goddamn intransigent since the Senate bill had similar anti-abortion language in it, it's just he won't get direct credit for it I guess).

It really kind of trips me out when people deny or get bent out of shape when you point out there is a racist current at some of those rallies. How can you deny it? Read the signs and listen to what certain people say, it's clear as day. Just because other douchebags are doing it and you happen to agree with the rally/protest in principle doesn't mean you are also a racist.

That actually goes for everything and not just healthcare. Like I said in another thread, by far the most depressing thing resulting from this entire ordeal isn't going to be the passage or failure of whatever the final bill will be or what's in it, but how it's exposed so many Americans as being intellectually lazy. Most voters don't really think about anything in anything more than glittering generalities and the more you break it down and the louder you are for/against it, people will just swallow the Kool-aid based on their already-determined perceptions. If you try to explain anything they don't want to be bothered, they just run back to their favorite information source to find a slant they prefer.

There is Rowand and then there's just a bunch of other dudes.