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QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:30 PM) Well you certainly brought it up, don't blame me.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:22 PM) It still doesn't mean it's tradition. Tradition is like the 7th inning stretch, a curtain call after a huge home run, standing ovation for a pitcher after he has a great outing, etc., etc., etc. Not bunting to help a pitcher keep his no-no or PG isn't tradition. That's not how you play the game. You do what will help you and your team. Not what will make the other team and fans happy. It hurts your argument when you have to argue semantics. Does your definition vs. my definition of "tradition" really have anything to do with this?

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:19 PM) You think? Some in here hate the guy for wanting to play baseball...you can't hate him for that and even though he isn't the most talented guy around I always root him to contribute to our team,some even seem to want him to fail in here...you know who you are,haters. Hey there, awesome straw man

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:14 PM) I have seen way too many bunt attempts while a team is down by a grand slam or more to ever write it off. I would wager it happens several times a week, at the very least. Bunting, no matter how much i am against it, tend to be a a strength of a select group of players. I was just reading about a game recently (within the past two weeks) in which a team was being no hit, down by six, two outs in the seventh. That team went on to bunt, got the hit, and went on to score nine runs that inning, winning that game twelve to six. If it is a one run game at what point is it wrong to lay down a bunt? Fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth? If it is a five run game at what point is it wrong to lay down a bunt? Fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth? People say different things but it's really the 9th when it gets to be a big deal. This isn't something that happens that often. Teams being no-hit, in the 9th, bunting. Do it if you want but don't be surprised if you get drilled afterwards.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:07 PM) tradition? What does tradition have to do with anything? Please show me the baseball tradition of not bunting late in games if the opposing pitcher has a PG or no-no. If you ain't breaking the rules, I got no problem with it. Look at Pierzynski, I guarantee you he would be a player to lay down a bunt late in a game vs. a pitcher who has a no-no or PG. That is one of the reasons why I like AJ. He doesn't break the rules, but he'll do everything in his power to help the team, whether it be ruining a PG, no-no, or shutout, or being heads up and running to 1st on a questionable dropped 3rd strike, or completely taking out a 2nd baseman on a DP, he does what he's gotta do. Some people call him "bush league." I call him a smart and hard-nosed baseball player who doesn't care about the other teams feelings. I will do that, but tomorrow afternoon, go outside and tell me what color the sky is. How am I going to "show" you something like that? It's practically common knowledge. Type "bunt no hitter" into Google if you really want to find something.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:57 PM) God, another day to shove that crap down my throat. It's ridiculous how long teams run the ridiculously long 15:00 clock on a guy they already have signed. Yeah that is ridiculous. When a team with the #1 pick takes longer than 5 minutes to make their pick they should just have a pick taken away just for pissing me off. Same thing goes for #2 actually, they know good and well who they're going to pick because the #1 pick gets signed before the draft, and #3 probably has a good idea too.

Playing to win, and being cheap are two different things. Being respectful of tradition while still playing hard and laying down and quitting are also two different things.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:34 PM) There were people on here who claimed it is an unwritten rule in baseball that you do not make late inning defensive replacements with a no-hitter on the line, that it changes the karma. Didn't make much sense then (seeing as how all the best managers in the game do not follow this rule) and it makes even less sense now. Yeah that was really just people making s*** up.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 09:56 PM) Probably not with the glove being on the left hand and all. Not so much that, I just can't recall BA ever jumping at the wall to make a catch.

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 09:56 PM) <!--quoteo(post=1957711:date=Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:47 PM:name=JFields27)-->QUOTE (JFields27 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) <!--quotec-->Congrats Mark, it was a great game to watch Thank God, Ozzie put D Wise in as a defensive replacement in CF. No way Scotty Pods makes that play! Kudos Ozzie! I'm still kind of upset that Ozzie wouldn't do this last year for Floyd's could've-been no-hitter.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 09:35 PM) That clip is 5:31 long. That is only 1/6 of the time he spent on the mound. Replace "only" with "a full"

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 09:05 PM) Are you kidding me? If anything, not bunting more was stupid by them because when you have a pitcher cruising like Buehrle, if you make him get off the mound and field, it could throw him off. This is baseball. You don't make it easy on anyone. I don't know what the reason was for not bunting, but you don't go out there trying to help the opposing team. I would have preferred to see them make it as tough as possible. Anyone who tries to bunt their way on in the bottom of the 9th, down by 5, against a pitcher who has a perfect game or no-hitter, needs to be thrown into a shark tank.

MLB has all 27 outs in a highlight clip http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=5699295

If they condensed the entire thing in like 3 hours I would be perfectly okay with that.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:50 PM) Look at the dates of the study. 1987 to 2005? Yeah man that's a clear indictment of Bush 43. He was so bad he managed to f*** things up when his dad was still vice president.

QUOTE (hogan873 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) I've seen comments posted on-line (not here) about Mark getting lucky. Of course many of these were coming from Cubs fans who don't appreciate baseball, but luck had nothing to do with it. 27 up, 27 down. Only 17 other pitchers have ever done this. As completely awesome as the perfect game and everything, you don't throw a no-hitter without at least a little luck. That's not to diminish the accomplishment, it's just that the accomplishment itself is kind of fluky to begin with.

QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:43 PM) So YOU DO ADMIT YOU WERE WRONG and that Wise was the best option?.........uh huh...it all comes out now....you are such a windsail.... I'm not sure how long this is going to last, because before too long it will mean I'm not allowed to say true things just because he made that catch. Eventually I'll lose my willpower. But I figure I have to make it at least 24 hours.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:37 PM) I was inciting arguments in the BA thread all game, not knowing that sweet revenge would be mine in a matter of hours/minutes. Man don't bait me. I'm on a self-imposed anti-Wise hiatus for a while.

QUOTE (Shamrock4Life @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:22 PM) As much as all us BA lovers and/or Wise "haters" have said "Boy we were wrong," Joe Cowley is an ass. Well the last 5 words aren't news, but why, exactly? I can't be bothered to actually read his articles/posts to be honest so I don't know what he said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aowh...p&type=lgns Here's his statement/official reason for doing it: Here's the same quote, edited by me for honesty and accuracy:

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:18 PM) I understand the theory, and both my wife and I are well read on it - however, try as you might, occasionally there's nothing else to get through to a strong willed child. We do positive reinforcement, we do time out, we take things away - and at times none of it works. I mean it's not like I go around beating my child 24/7, but there's certain times where NOTHING else gets her attention. I hate it, but it is what it is. At the same time if you spank your kid all the time it doesn't have the same effect. They just get scared and pissed off.

The Sox had 5 runs on 6 hits... lol... awesome.

BTW, re: Wise being left-handed and being able to make that catch b/c his glove is on the right hand - so it doesn't look like I was talking out of my ass, it is possible to catch at that angle with the glove on the left hand. Difference being Wise had to jump.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) Might as well be the ultimate grand slam to win the game. If he were to hit a grand slam when down 3 runs, with 2 outs, on a 3-2 pitch, while being the the home team, he could pretty much say he has done it all. The ultimate grand slam has never been accomplished in major league baseball history thus far. Well I would say f*** it and let Mark do this to clinch Game 4 but the AL won the All-Star game again, so it would have to be Game 6 or Game 7. I'd rather the Sox sweep but hey why not, if anybody's gonna hit a grand slam with 2 outs, full count in the bottom of the 9th down 3 in Game 7 of the World Series to win it all it might as well be Mark.