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QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:26 PM) When Sox players commit two bone-headed defensive plays in one inning that cost them the lead, Hawk cherry-picks a balls-and-strikes call and blames the umps for the loss later in the game? I don't recall him ever doing that. Not that exact situation, but yes he does do things like this. All the time actually.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:40 PM) anderson had every opportunity to be the everyday CF when quentin went down, but he didnt get it done. He had the opportunity, but he didn't seize it. He's been benched and sent down because when he played everyday, he sucked. the guy simply can't hit major league pitching Look around. Who's disputing this anymore?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 02:36 PM) You will hear responses from 2 camps on here. 1. Will agree with you 2. The other will blame his career on Ozzie. 3. DeWayne Wise

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QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 12:31 PM) Sometimes, even the greatest players are going to fail. Ted Williams was booed at Fenway and Mike Schmidt went through his own little slice of hell in Philly, but damn it, that doesn't make it right. Now Jaime Navarro, he desrved every damn boo he heard, because the man just an ass. But for these guys that go out there and try to do their best, well, you'll never here me boo anybody in Sox uniform that does that. Even, Dwayne Wise. QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 12:34 PM) I personally would not boo Bobby Jenks, even despite being as concerned about him as anybody on this board. I'm not a big proponent of booing players on my own team, however I would not pass judgement on somebody else who does boo a player because that's their right as a paying customer. I just don't agree with them. My opinion is something like a combination of these 2 posts. I don't like booing players except for those who are assholes, I wouldn't do it and don't like or condone it, but I get that it's going to happen and I understand why.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 01:17 PM) Over one third of his walks ... wait, let me rephrase that ... we have scored more than a run per every three walks Thome has gotten. I don't think that is over stating the value at all. In fact, I believe you are understating that value. I look at it as "4 of 10 times he is at bat he won't make an out." That's oversimplifying it some since today's emphasis on OBP sometimes has a tendency to act like hitting isn't important but when Thome hits the ball (about 1/4 of the time) he is likely to hit the piss out of it.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 01:17 PM) You make a good point here, but these guys piled on Diaz heavily AFTER Upton stupidly misplayed an almost-routine fly ball and turned an inning-ending flyout into a two-run triple. Upton lost the f'n game for them, yet they put all of the blame on Diaz. I realize that Hawk whines a lot about the umpiring, but he doesn't blame them for a loss when Sox players make stupid defensive mistakes. This much is true. Sometimes it takes a while for Hawk to call a Sox player out, but he will do it if the mistake was bad enough. Although sometimes his whining does get carried away and start glossing over other reasons the Sox lost (i.e., allowing too many runs, leaving runners in scoring position, etc.).

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 01:13 PM) Who did I call anything? Or, am I not understanding your respose? I was referring to what I said, but via your reply if that makes any sense.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 12:08 PM) I really couldn't care less what other fans think. I generally don't either, but this would be the pot calling the kettle black.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 11:09 AM) After you take away taxes, he earned plenty of money by the time his arm fell off. Unless he squandered all of his money, he should have been able to have a nice nest egg where he could have easily gotten by for a while, while he looked for a new job to support his family with. I think Jim is full of crap. You figure he probably had a mortgage that was much higher than you or I would pay, he wouldn't be living in Highland Park but he wouldn't be living in an apartment on the North Side either. He very well may have had a nest egg of, say, 150, 200k to get by on for a while. That doesn't really last that long though.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:35 AM) Did you catch the TB telecast? I did, and the TB announcers complained about the non 3rd strike call to Alexei (which resulted in a triple a couple pitches later) from Laz Diaz from the 7th, until the game was over. I mean they had camera shots on him and were grilling him non stop the last couple innings. Just thought I would let all Sox fans (and hawk bashers) know. The call was borderline at best, btw. I didn't watch the telecast but I don't dispute that the TB announcers were b****ing so I don't really see what that has to do with what I said. But this is something Hawk drives me insane with, when the Sox get a questionable/bad call he ranges from mild complaining to bringing it up every inning for the rest of the game to screaming into the mic and popping a blood vessel in his head. There's times when I have to mute him until his rant is out of his system. So if we were to say to some Rays fans "man, your announcers are really b****y" we wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on there, Hawk does it so much more.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:21 AM) For all of the people that want to act indignant about booing any certain player, I have to ask you one thing: Which do you think any player would dislike more, your opinion of any player in any thread from any performance that is on this website told straight to their face, or a booing for a s***ty performance. I bet the player could care less about being booed as opposed to reading through a gamethread I hope DeWayne Wise doesn't read Soxtalk

QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 11:01 PM) Nice spot-start by Torres. Not overwhelmingly awesome, but he kept us in the game. And big ups to Thornton for the two-inning save. The Rays announcers are such whiners. They wouldn't shut up about the missed 3rd strike call on Alexei, as if they were the only ones who've been getting screwed by poor calls this series. Not exactly something we as Sox fans can really complain about, considering Hawk will still be b****ing about a bad call from the 2nd well into the 8th inning. It makes me cringe when he does that because I know other fans are listening to him and thinks "wow, the Sox announcers are such whiners."

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 10:16 AM) Oh spare me the bulls***. The "I did it for my family" thing actually makes me totally lose respect for the guy. What about every other guy out there who is a father playing baseball who made the conscious decision to do things right and not take PEDs because they want their kids to look up to them and respect them not only as a breadwinner, but as a example of the type of person who you want your kids to become. What about those fathers that people like Jim Parque knocked out of the game by taking their places because they cheated to get an extra edge? How does he feel about taking food out of their mouths? Spare me the self-pity and the artificial tears. A lot of fathers face the choice of lying/cheating/stealing for their kids every day, under dire circumstances. Its not like his kids were going to starve. He did it to try to win the lottery, not to save his destitute family. He pretty much admitted all this and acknowledged that it was wrong and basically says he wishes he didn't do it. It's not like he is trying to justify anything.

Man oh man what a tired topic. For the anti-booing people, yeah I'm with you and I'd never boo a Sox player except in some extreme circumstance (I'd probably boo Wise on one of his 3 K days since he sarcastically asked us to), but everybody doesn't live in this idealistic fantasyland so this is irrelevant. In the real world, pro sporting events have thousands of fans, some of whom are drunken and ignorant and nothing at all like you (the guy who thinks booing is bad), and when they get pissed off at a player playing poorly, they boo. Although some are worse than others there is no exception for any fanbase, and no player is immune. It happens all the time. Why do people have to act like it's such a horrible, unheard-of thing?

QUOTE (RibbieRubarb @ Jul 23, 2009 -> 08:31 AM) Never...end of story. Trust me...when your "future" kids become your acutal kids, you will have a different perspective. No not really.

No, Javy hasn't figured out anything. This isn't the first time in his career where he's had a stretch that he's pitched like this, in the NL to boot.

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QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 10:27 PM) He's a dickhead for calling out Ozzie? He's calling it as he sees it. You disagree with him, fine. But he I don't see how this makes him a dickhead. Many posters on here have called out Ozzie in the past, does that make them dickheads as well? He makes it sound like Ozzie is being a p**** and deliberately avoiding blame which I think is a pretty silly conclusion.

The last time an ethics committee found her to be acting improperly, she brushed it off (brushing it off so strongly so as to distort what the report actually said to the point of almost saying the opposite, i.e. stopping just short of flatly lying), and the status quo remained. People who hate her called BS, people who supported her took what she said at face value.

QUOTE (Shamrock4Life @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 05:46 PM) You want to know how great MB is? Look at what the fans did in 2007 . I sseriously can't remember a time when a fan base (or at least the fans at a game) demanded that the organization resign a player. Sure there would be signs, but this was a chant. Maybe I am still a young-in, at 26, but his is one of the only times I remember something like this happening for anybody let alone just a White Sox. Well in 2005 there was "WE WANT JUNIOR"

QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 05:29 PM) Hmm...His stuff was at it's best. He came in throwing 100 non-stop. And 2006 was a good season but he also gave up his most walks and homers. Sort of like what he is doing this year except in 2006 he still was throwing 99 consistently. I'm out of the conversation. Debating with 14 year olds after I am off work is the last reason I joined the site or wanted to contribute my 2 cents on the matter. Apparently that is a crime and apparently you just dont have a clue about the game of baseball. Now go twist something I said in this or a previous post and ignore how you don't understand trade value when it comes to why KW would ask for 2-3 prospects because of status. Or how you think the Mets signed Putz. Or how Jenks whip has gone up the last 3 seasons and his stuff has gone down but that isnt bad because his 07' was sooooo good. It is bad brainiac. He may not be bad - or even medicore - he is still good but from where he was mixed with signs of arm issues in relation to throwing as hard as he did when he is still only 28 years old is a problem. Wake the ____ up! What are you talking about? Gone up every season? That is true but it doesn't make any sense. He went from 0.89 (absurdly good) to 1.10 (really good) to his current 1.29 (not the greatest, but considering he had 1.24 in 2005, it's evidently decent by your own standards). That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to use that and say "look, he is declining!" I also don't understand why you keep pointing back to 2005, when he had his best stuff, but his numbers/peripherals were better in '07 and '08 and it's pretty common knowledge he wasn't throwing in the triple digits then. WC Sox's point about Putz that you keep trying to hammer him with is semantics. They gave up resources to get him. That doesn't make the point he was making invalid. You should probably stop talking down to other people, fwiw.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 06:51 PM) I imagine it rhymes with…. Punt? He said he was gonna get the posse after Coronado.

What could he possibly be saying? I don't get it.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 22, 2009 -> 06:02 PM) Strong willed kids are TOTALLY different then compliant kids. You can't generically say one things works and another doesn't because every kid is different. I do my damndest to keep my oldest in line, but if she's going to act like an ass in public, frankly, there's not a damn thing I can do about it, and anyone that says "that kid's a spoiled brat" or "those parents must be idiots" - I have two words for you. f*** off. You don't know me or my child, so please don't pass judgement on things you don't know. I HATE it when my kid acts up, and I remove her from the situation, but the scene has been already created. It drives me crazy for people to pass judgement on situations like this. /soapbox People don't realize how hard it is to control a crying infant until they're parents and their kid starts crying in public for no f***ing reason and they can't make them stop.