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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 12:20 PM) We go through this same exercise every time we hit a vehemently discussed issue that comes up in a number of ways. I have very few problems with how things currently sit. If it's getting on your nerves, the options are very simple; use the ignore button or take a few days off from the Filibuster. There's a reason I disappeared from PHT last night mid-game. I just want to find out where the majority of the regulars sit on this, that's all. If the consensus is that I need to do nothing, then that's fine.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 12:15 PM) You really want the truth? Get rid of the filibuster, and political conversation altogether. I kind of like it personally. I know there will be arguments and all but that's the nature of the beast. I can honestly say that posting here makes me smarter, most of the time.

Since arguments are regular in the Democrat and Republican threads now I want to find out what you guys think we mods should do, if anything. I don't know if you guys think the arguments are constructive or if you are annoyed by them and want them to go away. Ultimately what happens is incumbent on you guys though. Me, NSS, Rex, or whomever else can't hover over everyone's posts and/or keep splitting off new topics to keep everyone happy. If there is something you don't like when other posters do, then respect everyone else and don't do it yourself.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 10:54 AM) Here's a boatload of recipes. Awesome, I'll check this out when I get home.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 10:53 AM) yup, but u have to eat em with beans and tortillas or its not that great...its good in just about anything, quesadillas, skillets, burritos, ... I either eat it plain, or with eggs. One time a guy BBQ'd some and put it on tortillas, that was great.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 11:45 AM) Because there's only 2 options, waterboarding or having a cup of coffee with them.

Seriously guys, new thread time.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 10:11 AM) The one thing I will agree with is that it puts the lives of troops in danger, which for me at least, isn't political. In a roundabout way, but that cat's already out of the bag after Abu Gharib and Guantanamo. Honestly, we can't make that any worse because we already lost on that propaganda front. The thing I'm concerned with is that historically, when politicians have asked for more oversight into intelligence matters, it hasn't gone well (Church Commission, etc.)

I want to know, if people think that the release of these documents is politically motivated, how in the hell is defending the contents of them NOT politically motivated? (I don't like the public discussion of interrogation techniques which has nothing to do with politics, and I'm fully confident that the majority of people defending waterboarding etc. aren't eye-to-eye with me on this, it's all about how they feel about the Obama administration's decisions and I won't be convinced otherwise.)

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 09:39 AM) I agree with your premise that they are cherry picking what they want released, but the bolded there really is an unquantifiable claim. Yeah, when you're talking strategic-level stuff that's not directly related to a specific action, you can't measure something like that in numbers and it's really asinine for a senior gov't official to even try.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 09:35 AM) I'm glad Venezuela is giving us our land back... I suppose we could have just pulled a Chavez and took it in the first place if we really wanted it. I just posted it because it's not the kind of gesture I'd expect from Chavez.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 09:33 AM) From the article you quoted So why are we going to release them? I mean seriously. I understand the premise behind what this administration is doing here. I don't agree with it, but I at least can understand it. This I just don't get. Is it really worth exposing our troops to possible "backlash" just to try and prove a point? Edit: Read too quickly. So it's the ACLU who is pushing this forward, not the Obama administration. Still, though, the article makes mention that the officers responsible were court marshalled. Isn't that the proper protocol? If the defense officials feel that this could be problematic if released, the Obama admin really needs to work to classify these documents. My opinion. We've already experienced the backlash and the PR damage, it doesn't really matter at this point.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 09:33 AM) Eh, its the same to the left as abortion is to the right. Its the hot button topic that gets people all fired up. People who believe in it can't understand how anyone could ever take it away as a legitimate tool. People who don't think is it a horrible thing, that should never, ever be done to a human. There really is not a middle ground. Yeah, that's kind of what I'm saying, they are more concerned with how it's a horrible thing than the fact that it's arguably not a legitimate (not the same thing as legal) tool.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 09:32 AM) Fixed that for you. Granted, but this reminds me of a discussion I was having w/someone not too long ago - the anti-torture crowd would have so much more support if they focused on the fact that torture doesn't even really work instead of focusing on it as a human rights issue. Everyone agrees that torture as a punitive measure is unconstitutional, but the pro-torture crowd thinks allowing it means it will work just like on TV. It really doesn't and in some cases it degrades the quality of your information. "Information" being a term I use loosely in that case.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 09:38 PM) Anyone mention yet how the Obama administration only released the papers showing what type of interrogation techniques we used, while they refuse to release the papers showing how many lives were saved and terrorist attacks were stopped because of these interrogation techniques. That's kinda odd, huh? Torture is incredibly overrated IMO and I wish more people would focus on that, if they did, these arguments probably wouldn't be so heated.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/23/venezuela.island/index.html

If so, who has cooking tips?

QUOTE (G&T @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 09:00 AM) I'm going to say money. Although 26% seems low... I was thinking shopping.

What pissed me off about last night was that if Colon had been pitching for the Orioles against our lineup, the result would've been the same.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 24, 2009 -> 08:02 AM) It don't matter anymore. Because we won't be getting info from the terrorists anymore, soldiers will just shoot to kill and not take any prisoners since the only thing that can happen if they take someone in, is that they will be released. What I find funny is that at the same time, Barack Obama has authorized air strikes where terrorists are known to be. Now, I have nothing wrong with that... but everyone's making a big deal about waterboarding, when the terrorists and their families are gonna get blown to hell. It's okay to kill them and their family, but when you waterboard a terrorist to get vital info that may save thousands of American lives (which it has been proven to do), you've crossed the line! This is insanity. If there's another terrorist attack on US Soil in the next 4 years, Obama better be impeached, because it will be on his head. I'm not sure where to start with this post. Is Michele Bachmann ghostwriting for you?

I drove up to Newark yesterday and holy s*** is that place ghetto.

What a s***ty night for Chicago sports.

I can honestly say this is one of the worst games I've ever attended. I left during the 7th inning stretch.

I'm about to go to the visitors dugout and remind them that they're facing adam eaton.

I think I'm going to put my phone back in my pocket for the night.