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QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 04:37 AM) i still like OC for doing that... seriously. i really dug that move by him. flame me all you want - i thought it was great and i want all my players to have that intensity. even though I don't particularly care for some of his antics, i really did like him kicking dirt at ballfour. Ballfour was showing up Uribe and Cabrera wouldn't have any of it, gotta respect a guy who sticks up for his teammates.

Dye and Poreda to the Dogers for Kemp and Furcal.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 05:59 PM) If he's only going to get a one year deal, arbitration is the way to go. If KW really plans on sitting him,(although we've always been told the line-up is the manager's decision) there will be grievances filed. It really makes no sense offering a player arbitration, and paying him $11-12 million and sitting him for guys making $400k who haven't proven anything on the major league level. Hopefully he just refuses, but I've said all along, I don't think its as cut and dried as most think. Not a chance that any grievance can be won by him. KW has been clear that he's not a starter next year, if he chooses to take the arb offer then it's his own damn fault. Even if he were to file a grievance, what could he possibly win??? They can't make ozzie play him.

I still think that the best deal for him would be to sign a one year deal with a team that intends on starting him the whole season. That will give him a chance to build value and go for one more big deal next offseason while he's still young enough to get a 3-5 year contract. He would at the minimum probably be platooning if he signs with the sox this year, not an ideal place for him.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 05:27 PM) Like I said before, those comments will not intimidate them. And if you know that is what those comments were intended to accomplish don't you think OC and his agent would as well? They don't care about KW. They don't care if the White Sox really don't want him. They have known that. They care about money. He's going to do pretty well for one year if he accepts arbitration, and if he plays decently will probably be the top SS on the market next year. As a White Sox fan, if OC accepted arbitration and the White Sox just plopped him on the bench and played guys like Getz and Nix instead, wouldn't you have a problem with that? Not really. We've seen what OC brings to the table, I think that we can get better production out of Ramirez at SS and I want to see what Getz can do in a full season. I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit north of .270 with a good OBP. That's about all Cabrera does

QUOTE (scenario @ Dec 4, 2008 -> 05:19 PM) KWs comment was only intended to communicate to OC and his agent, loud and clear, that he should not accept arbitration. It's not any more complicated than that. Ding ding ding

i think that there's a better chance that oc will sign a one year deal with another team to build his value for next offseason. if he stays with us he rides the pine, that doesn't exactly put him in a great position to build value

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 10:07 AM) AJ is one of the few players I honestly don't care about stats with him. I absolutely don't want him to do anything but finish his career with the White Sox...the guy is tough, gritty, heady as hell, calls a great game, smart, other teams hate him, and he's a winner. Stats smats...AJP is the man. That's how I feel about it. He's a f***ing gamer. The reason other teams hate him is because he's smart, tough and never takes a play off.

QUOTE (Shamrock4Life @ Dec 3, 2008 -> 12:51 PM) Braves catcher Tyler Flowers (.394 AVG, .463 OBP, 1.014 SLG, 12 HRs in 71 ABs): "Big, strong, raw-boned guy. I wish i had big raw-bones.

Based on the AJC report it sounds like we got one stud (flowers) one reclamation project (Lillebridge) and then two other high ceiling prospects in this deal. That sounds like quite a haul for a pretty middling pitcher, I gotta give the edge to KW in this trade for sure.

If a few pieces fall into place KW could end up closing for us next year. We'd need to dump salary a la Vasquez and Dye and then move Bobby.

People can't really be arguing that draft picks don't have value. That is just arguing for argument's sake.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 1, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) Nothing official, this was from last night. I know, that's what I was thinking but this article states that they have offered.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 1, 2008 -> 07:40 PM) I hope he doesn't accept. he won't. that would mean turning down between 20-30 million and risking an injury.

Looks like the Sox have offered Arb. to O-Cab. I haven't seen any announcement or anything but this article states that they have done so and that they probably won't offer either Uribe or Griffey. Discuss amongst yourselves. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/artic...89&c_id=cws

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 30, 2008 -> 11:23 PM) Question for those that continue to bash Taveras, Figgins or any other REALISTIC option (I'll go out on a limb and assume we won't be adding Grady Sizemore or Jose Reyes) to plug into the leadoff spot: are you content with going into ST with Jerry Owens or maybe even Getz as the guy? Are we going to have 54857457275 posts on how KW should be fired if that's what happens? I mean, you can't have it both ways. Kennyprospects is atleast breakin' down REALISTIC (there's that word again) options and examining the pros and cons. I've been making this argument for 2 days now and I'm over it. Bottom line, we don't have a reliable CF or leadoff hitter right now and unless we sell the farm we're not going to end up with Ellsbury patrolling center this next season. Taveras is an experienced player, plays good D, can hit and steal bases, doesn't make a ton of money, can probably be had for some minor prospects and will hold things down until we see what Danks can do. He fills two needs for us and does so cheaply. You can't have world beaters at every position on the field. Do people really think that a 28 year old Jerry Owens is going to be our man next year? He's got 1/2 season in the majors and is almost 28, doesn't inspire much confidence in me. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 30, 2008 -> 11:48 PM) If Willy Taveras is the last ditch effort and the Sox trade for him in the middle of January, I'll understand. Willy Taveras should not be the major move for the White Sox this offseason. I don't think that he'll be the MAJOR move of the offseason but he does fill a couple of important holes that we currently don't have internal options for (at least not good options)

QUOTE (Cubano @ Nov 22, 2008 -> 06:30 PM) Does Viciedo look out of shape to you? hight 1.83 meters = 6 feet weight 82 kilos = 202 pounds Here is a recent picture: http://www.elnuevoherald.com/deportes/beis...ory/326594.html Alex Rodriguez weight 225. Mike Loweel weight 210. Evan Longoria weight 210. Looks like Torres could spend some time on a treadmill though.

I think this is the year that a Konerko to Anaheim deal could get done.

QUOTE (KevinM @ Nov 29, 2008 -> 05:42 PM) Errors are wholly subjective and meaningless. Also, speed does not equal range. No, errors while they can be subjective tell you if they missed on a play that they should have made. And you cannot have range in the outfield without speed.

QUOTE (KevinM @ Nov 29, 2008 -> 05:33 PM) Fielding percentage tells you absolutely nothing. It tells you how many errors a player makes compared to how many opportunities they have had. That's what it tells you . In addition, with tavera's great speed he would have many more opportunities than the average CF.

BTW- the OBP of some other prominent leadoff hitters this past season Ellsbury- .336 Pierre- .327 Carlos Gomez- .296 Crawford .319 Gaithright .311 O Cabrera- .334 Chris Young .315 Adam Jones .311 Now I obviously was picking and choosing with that list but there's some big names on that list that haven't done much more than WT.

Has everyone forgotten how effective Pods was at disrupting opposing pitchers when he was on base? They spent more time checking him at first base than they did worrying about who was in the batter's box, and considering how dangerous this team will be 3-6 next year if we had a player who was dangerous on the basepaths that would be great for us. I don't give a damn that Taveras doesn't hit for high OPS or slugging, that's not what he does or needs to do. A single for him is just about the same as a double from almost anyone else on the current team because he's such a good base stealer except for one important fact, he can an will score from second on just about any single to the outfield. Finally- for all those who say he's crap. PLEASE TELL ME,,, WHO ELSE WILL WE BAT LEADOFF AND PLAY CF???? Please give me a name of someone else who we can get on the cheap and has at least a relatively proven track record.

So if we don't make a move for Wily, then who is our leadoff next year and don't say Jerry Owens.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 29, 2008 -> 01:58 AM) OMG, Jesus in CF, God (TCQ) in LF. HA! Now all we need is the holy ghost patrolling RF.

QUOTE (Shadows @ Nov 28, 2008 -> 09:52 PM) Who gives a s***, you cant just pluck a .380 OBP to leadoff and get on base at a ridiculous rate out of nowhere or we would have done it by now.. If he hits .280+ and steals 60-70 bases (and possibly more) and plays good defense that's more than enough in my opinion to make up for a .330 OBP exactly. 330 obp isn't horrible and it's a hell of a lot better than anything we have, especially taking into consideration our other options or rather lack thereof.