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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 09:38 PM) Um, why? I'm pretty sure 99 out of 100 Sox fans have no idea who Chase Blackwood is. I know I didn't before ol' girl joined the site. lol.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 10:30 PM) I really wouldn't care. I would just assume he's back juicing. The guy is a White Sox for 4 weeks total. For the first 2 he has no extra base hits and no RBI. The team virtually loses any playoff chance. I won't shed a tear when the Manny Ramirez era ends. I look forward to it, and hope KW learns a lesson from it all. That lesson being....Don't try to improve the team by adding an elite hitter, even if it means breaking the bank? Or maybe next time just lay down and let the Twins have the division instead of improving the team to try and fight for the playoffs? Not sure what lesson he is going to learn here.....

Definitely throw Morel at 3B and let him get a feel for his future. And let Mark Teahen and Mark Kotsay get a job at a carwash and let them get a feel for their future.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 05:32 PM) I don't have the information on top of my head, but I am pretty sure NFL MVPs have came from teams didn't make the playoffs before. and also, in NFL they emphasize playoff berths in the MVP award heavier because they already have an award designated for the best offensive player. Ultimately, I think your argument boils down to, do you view the term VALUE as wins or playoff berth. For me, i think the word value suggests nothing about making the playoffs, it only denotes the amount of wins you can bring to the team over a replacement player. Well, to each their own I guess, but I see the MVP as the player who is the most valuable to their team, and if your team didn't make the playoffs, then you couldn't have provided THAT much value to them.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 03:11 PM) Self centered jack ass works for me. I'll go with that one from now over bum. No problem with me doing that. Nice hit last night Manny, when we needed it. Jack-ass is much better than bum. Although he hasn't been a jack-ass with us yet, he has been one over his career, so that's appropriate. He has never been a bum though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 05:05 PM) Rosenbloom had a good one today said its not "Manny being Manny" now, its "Manny being Kotsay".

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 04:20 PM) The thinking of MVP should come from a playoff team is really outdated. Same thinking that the Cy Young award should have league leading wins or close to it. It used to be that most Cy Young winnners are 20 game winners or close to it. But writers are speculating that parameters for the award are changing after Lincecum won it with 18 wins then 15 wins, and then Greinke won it with 16 wins. and this year, many feel that Felix hernandez is the leading candidate with 11 wins. Those players are elite pitchers, though they couldn't win more games because the offense the team assembles is not scoring runs. A player really has no control over what the other players do. This isn't basketball where you can make your teammates better, it's really an individual award. If your teammates aren't performing well, your team won't make the playoffs despite how good you are. If you really think about it, the term value only represent the quality a players brings to a team, i.e. WAR. If a player have a WAR of 8, that means he adds a value of 8 wins to the team, doesn't mean that his team will make the playoffs with those 8 wins the player adds, because his teammates flat out sucks. So why would would give an award to a player with a value of 6 wins, even if his team makes the playoffs? wouldn't you think that a player who brings 8 more wins to a team would be more valuable than a player who would win 6 more games for the team, regardless of playoff berth? Cy Young is defined as the best pitcher in the league. Team performance doesn't matter. MVP is defined as the most valuable player in the league. Team performance SHOULD matter. Why is it that in the NFL the player that wins the MVP does not necessarily win the Offensive Player of the Year or the Defensive Player of the Year? This has happened the past 2 years now.

Bowling! http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_...06106-157550500 Kenny is a badass. And I wonder who Lillibridge's celebrity was in his group. Andruw Jones?

Yeah, the move didn't pay off, but I would make that move 100 times out of 100. It's not a waste of money because of Manny's production, it's a waste of money because of the team's performance.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:55 PM) Did you just prove my point? Without Cano the Yankees are stil leading the Wildcard, without Konerko the Sox are 13 games out. So why exactly does it matter whether the team actually makes the playoffs? (And Im not saying Konerko deserves it over Cano, I just dont think it should be contingent on playoffs). No, the point is right now they are a lock for the playoffs. But without Cano, they are barely in a playoff position, and fighting to make it. That's quite a difference. But whether the Sox are 7 games out or 13 games out doesn't really matter because either way they have almost no chance at the playoffs.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:51 PM) Good thing you weren't here when the Sox acquired him. It was a popular move except by me who thought he was a bum. Fixed your post.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:39 PM) So how is Cano more valuable than Konerko?? Without Konerko we're crap, without Cano the Yankees are still in the playoffs most likely. You see, but that's the whole thing about it. You don't KNOW the Yankees would still make the playoffs without Cano, just like you don't KNOW the White Sox would be crap without Konerko. But in the end, Cano's team is making the playoffs, so you can assume that he helped them get there. You can only assume that Paulie helped the Sox keep the division close until the final couple weeks of the season. But one of those guys is playing in October, and that's Cano. And actually, if you want to use statistics, Cano has a 6.2 WAR, which means they would theoretically have 6 less wins without Cano. Take 6 wins away, and that leaves the Yankees only 1/2 game ahead of the Red Sox for 2nd place, and only .5 games ahead of the Red Sox and White Sox for the wild card. So in fact, without Cano they would be fighting for a playoff spot.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:32 PM) I believe Fathom and few others said it, but without Konerko we would have been the Mariners this year. Does that mean he holds less value than Cano to the Yankees just because the Yankees have a much better lineup and roster in general? Miggy is more valuable than Konerko, but his team sucks ass, which really just makes him more valuable because he kept that team afloat and is still producing crazy numbers even with little help. Yeah, but how does that change the outcome of our season if we end up with 90 wins, or 70 wins (just taking guesses at those numbers), if the result in the same that we don't make the playoffs? That's the whole point.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:29 PM) Well the best hitter would bring the most value to a team. Not really because some players are more valuable to one team over another. For instance, Manny Ramirez had no value to the Dodgers anymore because their team was tanking, while he was extremely valuable to the White Sox, Rays, and Rangers. Manny was not becoming a better hitter by coming here, but he was valued more our team than the Dodgers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:27 PM) Ok, so that was an exaggeration...but you ought to get my point. At the current rate, it's impossible for him to play 100 games...and at least a portion of those, he was playing while not 100%. And I don't see why that's a reason he should retire because the flip-side of that argument is that you can say he hit .305/.404/.876 in an injury plagued year, so imagine what he can do when he is healthy.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:22 PM) Wouldnt a player's value be independent of what his team does? It's like the W stat, it's pretty much out of the pitcher's control, just like it is out of the hitter's control whether or not there are guys infront of him, or good bats behind him, or that there is a good pitching staff helping the team win games. A player's value should be recorded as how well they performed during that season, if that means they were the best hitting/fielding combination in the league then wouldnt adding that player give a ton of value to a playoff team. No, because the award is "Most VALUABLE Player", not "Best Hitter" or "Best Player". A Cy Young winner can come from a crappy team because Cy Young award is for the best pitcher. But MVP is for the player that was most valuable to his team, and if your team didn't succeed with you, then you weren't that valuable to them.

QUOTE (SexiAlexei @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 12:08 PM) I don't think you should win the MVP if your team doesn't even make the playoffs... How can you be the most valuable player in the AL if your team is sitting at home in October? Isn't the point of the season to make the playoffs and win the WS? I agree. In fact, I just wrote an article about the NL MVP and basically outlined this very idea that you obviously weren't that valuable to the team if the team can't even make the post season w/ you. You aren't losing much ground. My golden rule for MVP.... - Player's team MUST make the playoffs. Exception to this is teams who are eliminated in the final couple days of the season, or a player puts up record breaking numbers and is far and away superior in almost every way over the competition.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 12:26 PM) I wouldn't be at all surprised if Manroid did retire at the end of this season. He was hurt all year, he's going to find very limited contract offers this offseason, he's either off his helpful juice or he's risking a 100 game suspension, he's going to have to take a gigantic pay cut, and wherever he goes, he's not going to be the center of attention any more. He was? Because I am pretty sure he has played in more than half the games this year. So, really, he hasn't been hurt for even HALF the year, let alone ALL year.

QUOTE (mmmmmbeeer @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 12:26 PM) Yeah...I'm with you. I'm not sure why KW is catching hell for making a move to improve our chances? Either y'all think Kotsay/Jones was a better DH option or you are an investor in this franchise. Me, I'm a White Sox fan and I was thrilled to see someone of Manny's ability come on board. He's disappointed, but I definitely liked the move. Only compared to what he used to be. Some people here act like Manny has hit .200 with this team and looked bad in every at bat. Manny is hitting .270 with us and an OBP of .400. Those are bad for Manny's standards, but compared to the rest of this team, he has still been one of the betters players on the team.

Nah, this team isn't making the playoffs, so I don't really think Paulie deserves it. With Hamilton out, it's going to be more between him and Cano.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:16 AM) Not really. It's probably not fair. But when you're already 4 games out (at the time of his first start) with less than a month to go you need the guy you're acquiring to step up and produce like right away. Manny looks washed up right now. If we lose these next two games, this will be the biggest waste of 4 million bucks in White Sox history. Manny has obviously been a waste of money, but mainly because this team is too far out with too little games to play. But to think Manny is done and needs to retire? Absolutely hilarious.

Tried getting into Mad Men. Couldn't, so I've moved on to Eastbound and Down and it's absolutely hilarious.

I noticed that my little cousin can field better at 3B than Mark Teahen.

Oh wow, talk about going overboard.....

LOL at all you "Manny sucks". Seriously, get a grip.