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Just for brevity, I'll say he comes up with an OPS+ of 111.

I'm more lenient on the PED era when it comes to the Hall of Fame. I would never put in Sosa, Palmeiro, or McGwire (or Sheffield next year), because I think they're all about PEDs. They don't get to milestone number without roids. After the milestones, they weren't the best of the best of their era. But I could vote for Clemens as one of the best pitchers of all time, and Piazza and Ivan Rodriguez as the two best catchers of that time. The game of baseball was on steroids---teams knew, the league knew, the ball was juiced many years---hell, the media knew and didn't do anything for a long time. I'm proud that Frank didn't do anything, but I'm in the camp of--How do you have a Hall of Fame without Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens? Hell, it might be fun to see their speeches and which current HOF players don't show up.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jan 10, 2014 -> 08:55 AM) A vote for Hahn is a vote for KW If that makes you feel better. Maybe it's a vote for KW as team president to allow Hahn to do things in his way. But with KW as GM, I'm not so sure we'd be seeing the same moves.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 10, 2014 -> 08:37 AM) Sheffield was one of the biggest names in the Mitchell Report. No chance for him. I really he hopes he falls off the ballot fast. Maybe it's good to keep the voting limit to 10 for a while.

Ultimately, Hahn will be judged by playoff appearances and championships. But I like that he has a plan and there is a balance between helping the major league team and getting young players in a variety of ways. I think the second half of this decade could be very good for the Sox if they hit on some of these young players.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 9, 2014 -> 07:21 PM) This game is so cool to watch. Nice job csn. Methinks the ball was a little juicy in 1994. Huge numbers in 113 games before the strike.

1994 game on CSN now. Frank goes deep a couple times. http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CH...199405250.shtml

Greg Maddux said something interesting today. When asked about his minor league career, he said, "You gotta keep moving up. You can't repeat a level." I thought of some current Sox minor leaguers. It may not be true for every player, but when Greg Maddux says it, there's some truth in it.

Sox sign Eric Patterson to a minor league deal.

CSN is covering the Hall of Fame press conference at 10am tomorrow.

Live stream of Thomas press conference. http://www.csnchicago.com/page/livewhitesox

Mike Rizzo filled out that scouting report. Looking at that draft, falling to 7th....unbelievable. We hit the jackpot.

Percentage changes: Biggio +6.6 Piazza +4.4 Everyone else went backwards. Lee Smith, Edgar Martinez, Larry Walker, and Fred McGriff had huge reversals. Hopefully these guys will at least make the rule change about unlimited voting a reality.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) LOL "Steroids weren't illegal!" ORLY? Wonder if the DEA would agree with that. I don't know about everyone else, but I'm glad the Sox didn't have a guy like Sosa putting up numbers like that during that time (98-03). I mean, yes, Albert Belle was juiced out of his mind, but he wasn't "our" guy. Sosa became a Cubs guy. It would make me puke if a Sox fan was making a case for a juiced player who only had Hall numbers with steroids.

Here are the full results, if they haven't been posted: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article//greg-madd...ent_id=66395522

I'm not going to link some of his tweets, but holy s***, Wayne Randazzo is a f***ing idiot.

Epic fail on Whitesox.com not having Frank there already.

Frank being the sideshow to Maddux, Glavine, and Cox (plus Torre and LaRussa) is so White Sox. Hey, he's in. He's in forever. Enjoy it.

Palmeiro fell off the ballot. Larry Walker got fewer votes than Mark McGwire, which surprises me.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 8, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) I concur, really is cool to think...I remember him being drafted and playing in County Stadium to make his debut. Wonder who inducts him...... Thomas ana LaRussa bring back some odd emotions in regard to the White Sox recent history. They don't do that at the Baseball Hall of Fame. They play a video and people talk, but nobody is there in person to introduce him. Selig reads the plaques, and Frank gives a speech.

Of course the BBWAA site is crashed. Why wouldn't it be?

It's cool to have witnessed a Sox player from Draft Day to Hall of Fame announcement. Congratulations, Frank Thomas!

Next year... Randy Johnson John Smoltz Pedro Martinez Craig Biggio Book it.

2 votes short for Biggio.

571 voted . Biggio fell short.