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You are who you are after 162.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 10:12 PM) 100% the Tigers started playing to their potential will be the story. Absolutely. The White Sox are an afterthought. It'll be Tigers finally came around, Cabrera MVP, Verlander, Leyland...and how can we blame the media for taking that stance? I wouldn't.

Wow, this thread is youg-ly. Anyway, I hope Rick Hahn will be allowed to do what he wants in the offseason.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 09:55 PM) I don't get the point of them. If you have two teams (like the Tigers and Sox tomorrow) with the same record and same amount of games to play, they're going to be at around 50% to make the playoffs. Do you really need a website to tell you that? Sox were as high as 86% already. I thought you didn't care about percentages? That may have been baseball prospectus. I was looking at coolstandings. It's just math. Nothing to get upset about.

When the Sox beat the Tigers on Monday, the Sox were 84.4 to win the division. Tuesday-- 83.0 Wednesday-- 72.8 Thursday-- 74.8 Friday-- 68.5 Today after the Tigers won-- 62.5 I don't even want to look if the Sox lose tonight. I'm guessing slightly over 50%.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 07:43 PM) I think it could go both ways....How in the HELL do you know they still dont end up with Sale? All I said was it would have been awfully nice to have both in the same rotation. That doesnt mean I think he should STILL be on the team or that we even end up with Sale still because NOBODY knows. It was just a simple statement. No need to try & make somebody feel stupid over something they said bud. Sorry, that's my bad.

Brutal loss for the A's, who now have lost 5 of 6. One more with the Yankees and 7 with the Rangers....I really don't want the Sox contributing to an A's collapse by losing to the Angels and Rays. Angels are 3 back with 11 left.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 06:26 PM) If Gio is still in the organization, Sox aren't in the same position and might not have drafted Sale. That's so true. I try to point that out when people say s*** like that.

QUOTE (SouthSidePride05 @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 07:03 PM) This is easily the most nervous I've been before a game all season. Tonight's game is huge! Hopefully it's one of those rare nights where the offense comes alive and we get a comfortable lead early. Wish I had more faith. To each their own, but this team isn't good enough to get nervous for.

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Sep 22, 2012 -> 05:18 PM) Tigers only have games against Minn and KC, so good luck with that. You're right. 8-4 is more like it. That's the way it's supposed to be down the stretch.

Orioles on their way to another extra inning win. Unreal. Thome with big double.

Ok, so give this one to the Tigers. 12 left. Hope the Sox go 7-5, and the Tigers don't do any better than that.

Gio Gonzalez with 20 wins.

We're at that time of year where you just want to wake up in first place. It's bend but don't break time. But to be realistic, considering the Tigers are playing 7 vs KC and 6 vs Minnesota, I think the best we should hope for is 8-5 for the Tigers, and that would leave the Sox having to go 7-5 to win the division. But again, the Sox will wake up in first on Sunday, and they'll try to make it to Monday still in first. And so on until October 4th or 5th.

Scherzer cleared to start Game 1 Sunday.

Hawk sounds like he knows the Sox are going to blow this division.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 10:55 PM) I hate to say it but Paul Konerko is starting to remind me of Jermain Dye's last season in 2009 when he started out hot and completely collapsed in the second half. It may just be the wrist. But at 37 next season, they can't rely on him being a 4-hitter on a championship team anymore. I think 2013 will be Konerko's last season.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 10:51 PM) Please shut up Hawk. I was just thinking that.

Not only do I want the Sox to win for their own cause of winning the AL Central. I want them to win to not contribute to some miraculous comeback for the Angels or Rays. Keep the O's, A's, and Yankees in it.

If rotations hold, this is what we're looking at: 9-21 Peavy vs Santana 9-22 Quintana vs Haren 9-23 Floyd vs Weaver 9-24 Sale vs McAllister 9-25 Liriano vs Kluber 9-26 Peavy vs Masterson 9-27 Quintana vs Shields 9-28 Floyd vs Moore 9-29 Sale vs Cobb 9-30 Liriano vs Hellickson 10-1 Peavy vs Kluber 10-2 Quintana vs Masterson 10-3 Floyd vs Jimenez

Tigers/Twins in a rain delay. They may not play tonight.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) I think my main point is that the Sox have been fairly consistent and so are the Tigers, and the teams are who they are. I don't really expect either team to do anything differently than they've done it for the first 149 games of the season I really dont get why anyone thinks the tigers are going to go on some unrealistic tear AND the sox are gonna swoon Is it unrealistic to think that against the competition both teams are playing over these last four series, that the Tigers could go 8-5 and the Sox could go 5-8, and the Tigers take it with 87 wins? Could happen. Might not. Nothing will surprise me these next two weeks, but by no means do I think the Sox have this even close to locked up.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 01:47 PM) Because the preceding 16-7 stretch before the final 45 didn't overvalue this team at all, right? The final 45 games of the Sox' schedule also features 21 games against teams that are as of today 10 or more games over .500. Of the other 24 games, 12 of them are on the road. Of the 12 home games against teams that are not 10 or more games over .500, 9 of them are against divisional opponents. They also have 3 days off in the last 48 days of the season - one of which was a rainout where they were at the ballpark waiting all night. How many easy games do you think this team has really had, recently? Are we also gonna blame De Aza, Dunn and Konerko for being injured while we're at it A team that wins its division, unless they had a huge lead to work with, should be able to go 25-20 in its last 45 games, largely weighted by division games. And not just division games--games against teams from a weak division. Good teams win. Bad teams lose. Slightly better than mediocre teams like the White Sox should be able to 25-20 down the stretch. Hell, 24-21 should have been good enough, and they may not even do that. What are we arguing here again? How it's not the Sox fault if they don't win the division?

If the Sox come up short, I'm going to look at the collective choke of not being able to go 25-20 the final 45 games for 90 wins. So, go 9-4 and we're all good.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 21, 2012 -> 11:59 AM) No, it doesn't. Changing those results changes every other result in the season as well. They completely control their own destiny and the only teams standing in their way are not named the Royals or the Tigers. Maybe you can say, the Sox went 14-4 against the Twins and 6-12 against the Royals, and that's baseball. Stuff happens. When it comes to a division where high-80's wins it, and you go 6-12 against that team, you pretty much blew it by losing to them. When I set up the Division thread (Road to 91 wins), I had the Tigers winning two more games than the Sox in the final 13 games. So right now I have them both going 88-74. Hopefully the Twins and Royals help us out, and the Sox win tonight. But I don't think the entire season is all about how they play these final two weeks. It's a collective thing, but how you play against teams in your division, particularly the one chasing you or ahead of you does matter because they're twice as important as the rest of the games.