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QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) I'm not going to argue with you on this anymore but I will say you are dead wrong. The finances of the Bulls have nothing to do with the finances of the Sox. While JR is the majority owner and the face he still has to look out for the other investors. Every time I read one of your posts I think of an old saying, "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt". That would be good advice for you to take. I have come to the same conclusion.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 5, 2015 -> 05:39 AM) Lol - oh yeah? What "signs"? What "signs point to a burst in the rights bubble" the Cubs are pursuing? And while you're at it, do tell how on god's green earth the next Sox deal on CSN will somehow be "richer" than the one the Cubs are on target to achieve? I mean, if anything, the way things are going, Theo and Tommy are getting set to leave Jerry & Club Loyalty in their dust with the next set of TV deals, not the other way around. I read articles talking about just that

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) As a Dolphins fan who lost interest fifteen years ago....you have one Wild Card game loss in 2008 and that's basically it for fifteen years (assuming 0-3 start dooms them again this year). It's hard to imagine almost thirty years like the Royals, but 15 for the Sox would still be a killer unless that success was sustained for at least 3-5 years (as opposed to a one year or temporary blip). We'd also get little or no advantage from the new tv contract that will set the Cubs up for another generation financially. you do know that the cubs and sox negotiate their own contracts for tv, right? theo and tommy boy are banking on the big money of going on their own, but signs point to a burst in the rights bubble. Sox will likely stay on csn with a richer deal, along witht eh hawks and bulls.

The only way I can see the sox trading sale would be to shed dead weight elsewhere. I.e. Danks or the born again idiot laroche.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 06:21 PM) Speaking of "compare and contrast" which you pointed out later in this thread as a useful thing to do, our "2nd highest payroll in Sox history" was good for only 15th place amongst MLB teams this year, and only a few million ahead of the small market Kansas City Royals. Noodle on that for awhile, why don't you. I never said they spent it wisely. you can question their choices, but they are certainly not "cheap"

Believe it or note, but market for sale is actually quite small. Teams like the Dodgers and Yankees have money to blow and will usually just get a guy in free agency. Teams with impact players/ can't miss prospects like the Cubs won't want to part with their own cost controlled talent. The sox aren't "screwed" in this situation, but they really can't explore every option. Better to build around sale( which they did in the rotation, even if it's lefty heavy), and bank on his loyalty paying off in the next contract.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) Boston is going to finish just under .500, and that's with Porcello and Sandoval being far worse than anyone could reasonably expect. They sign a top SP and even if they do nothing else, I could easily see them winning 90+ games next year if those two guys bounce back a little. They have a little run after the manager get left to fight cancer. That's it. That team is in worse shape than the white sox, just with a 200 million dollar payroll.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 11:38 AM) Taylor: To the best of my knowledge I have never said the Sox are deliberately trying to lose. Now THAT's insane. I have said in the past "money matters more than Championships" to them. And that's probably not true anymore either not with the gigantic sums of money coming into MLB at all levels. Probably the best description of the organization right now I've heard comes from others, "stale, set in their ways, refuse to change just about anything." And the bottom line is this, results speak for themselves. The Sox are in a bad position right now in all areas save for financially. Mark looks like you forgot how to use the quote button again lip

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 09:14 AM) And even past that, are still "fans". Too bad we don't have a like button.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) a typical reaction from someone with nothing but insults to sling. Piece together a coherent thought and I won't be offended on many levels, including my soul.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 08:02 AM) when all things being equal. this is not equal b/c all teams work with a different philosophy on how to get it done. again, too much outside variables are in play. Wow. I'm floored by what comes out of your mouth.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 06:52 AM) you truly amaze me, spending all that energy just so you can find a was to insult..... you truly are acting like a mental midget but i know that you are not. quick thing, the cost of everything has gone up.... esp the cost of players and players in free agency. also quick falling back on history to justify anything. in 2005 the sox were #13 in the league of spending, 2006 #4 with 106 mil+ 2011 #4 with 129+ mil 2001-2004 avg spending for salary 50-65 mil + all the while and this is according to forbes, making as an org and i am going to use a round figure. 190-200+ mil .... so again, it goes back to the way the team is managed from an owners point of view. the owners are more interested in max out their profit. then why is the team operated from the top down as a break even business? Words coming DIRECT from the chairman and his top execs? The partners may want that profit check, but the salary and revenuenisntiednto financing the entire operation, including the guy working the box office.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 06:55 AM) obviously you try to twist the language to make yourself look good. just use the sox, lets not use another team. it is completely different set of variables involve. then again maybe you can't think like that...... interesting b/c then it all fits with this aggressiveness. um......I AM taking about the sox. There's this thing called COMPARE AND CONTRAST.

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QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 03:51 AM) why is there always someone using another team and their history to justify something. there is no comparison .do you understand English?

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 03:43 AM) and at 120 mil. that is not impressive nor convincing. just keep moving the goalposts. the 2005!!!!!!!!!zomg!!!!!! payroll was 75 million. 2006 was 15 million more for 9 less wins and no playoffs appearance. While 2007 cost the sox almost as much to be a 90 game loser. the sox made a huge financial commitment to fielding a winner. those moves didn't work out all the way, but you cant discount the intentions of the ball club. but it's not enough for crybabies that call themselves sox fans.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 04:38 PM) The assistant hitting coach is becoming more common. There was someone who was doing it before Harold but he had a Video title. Mike Gellinger. I am going out on a limb and thinking they want a guy like Ibanez who can speak Spanish almost for Avi alone. Ibanez didn't become productive until he was close to 30.maybe he can get through to him. I think the panic about Avi has started, Avi Garcia speaks good English.

Giving up a cost controlled, elite pitcher is not a wise move. Most gms would be fired for that barring a fire sale. Plus the return would need to be worth more than the cost savings from the contract. Sale would need to be traded for several elite mlb-ready players. If he were to be dealt to the cubs, for example, the deal would need a Bryant, Rizzo AND a scwarber to make it work.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 3, 2015 -> 01:14 AM) I love Lip threads because they always work under this insane assumption that the Sox management is somehow purposely trying to lose in order to make a penny. This s*** has been going on for over a dozen years on Sox fansites. despite 2015 having the 2nd highest payroll in sox history.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 11:27 PM) We stink. I think it's time to build a new stadium like the Braves do every 20 years or so. Cmon. Build it downtown, make it a palace and make a commitment to excellence for the next 50 years. the braves are committing white flight into the suburbs. as for the sox, do you have 2 billion dollars for a stadium downtown?

People seem to forget that not even 365 days ago, the cubs were a crap organization that had a playoff drought that was one day longer than the sox. in a major market with a rich idiot for an owner. the season wasn't even 10 minutes old and they wer the laughingstock of the sports world for the opening day bathroom situation and bleachers that looked like the second death star. 0h, and they had a record of 523-607 in between playoff appearances. sox record from 2009-2015? 541-590, with an 88 win season in that span.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:46 AM) I like that the shape of the CF board is reminiscent of one of the old Comiskey ones, too. I like the current shape of the board, reflecting the old roman arches from the old park and that exist partly in the new one. But in sure the new one will grown on me.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:37 AM) Does this mean the end of the relatively new board in RF? I like that one. The s***ty one that doesn't show all the scores? I sure hope so.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 08:25 AM) http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/10/01/lev...t-video-boards/ This does sound awesome though. 7,000 sq. feet is huge considering the Cubs one is massive and not even 4,000 sq. feet. Three boards. Pretty awesome. The sox guy I know had told me in the past " the sox have a history of being innovators with scoreboards, and that trend will continue."

While this doesn't mean much, the sox were allowed by mlb to sell playoff tickets in these years: 2009 2010 2011 2012 All but 2012 were offered to season ticket holders, while 2012 had alds tix sold to the public. They were in contention those years.