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QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) you are trying to key on 1 point to change the subject. as i said, i use the name as "sox group" b/c jr and associates made a bid. it was not just jr. second, i key the sox group as a way to genetically group an unknown, full name of the investors, which i already stated, this being the 2nd time. lastly do you work for the sox??? are you part of the owners to know exactly what is rumors or not??? I can read. That's how I know your full of s***. Not one single article mentions the white sox group wanting to buy the coyotes. It was always " group headed by jerry". I'm not changing the subject. Your brain droppings did. I'm just correcting your silly ass

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 10:05 AM) you are the one crapping yourself. Yeah, the sox move from the ghetto known as Bridgeport to the west side? That makes a lot of sense.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:44 AM) i try to keep that as a group... hence the sox group. some posters, who trying to make a point in any discussion wants to be so precised in any discussion. Then you are either wrong or lying. The white sox were not looking to buy the coyotes.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:46 AM) there is something out there called depends .... If one seriously thinks that the far west side was ever a choice, they need a diaper and a bib.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:45 AM) Well the Bears play at perhaps the most inconvient stadium in the US. That's what they wanted. And that happens when you side with the cubs

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:27 AM) there was, i believe a 3rd site..... between central and laramine south of 290 the old sunbeam and factory there. that was discussed..... that was still in the chi geographical area and washington and the gov ok'd it, but the sox threaten to move to fla. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/...e=munson/100506 The west side? I just s*** myself laughing

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:23 AM) he low balled the final offer and demanded or requested some really creative financing, when, who ever was neg for the team said no, then and only then did the sox group said no thanks. one of the clause the sox owners wanted was the ability to move the team. he was the financing done by the city and them move them to another city??? the city / st would incur most of the cost while the sox group would pay 70-80 mil.... fyi the final of the nhl in phx was 225 mil..... a far cry from what the sox wanted to pay. there was no "sox group". It was jerry and local investors. And the coyotes were in bankruptcy, and eventually bought by the league. It was a quagmire for any group to come in

The last 4 home games have been better than 30k. The stubhub prices for Tuesday were insane, and they were sold out of the corner sections, a feat not often accomplished despite the $7/$20 price tag. Something I noticed before is that people are trained to hit stubhub first. The July 6 sale vs beuhrle game had plenty of upper level tickets under $20 at the box office, yet those same seats were SELLING at $25 and up all day long on stubhub. It's an mlb problem, but with the sox having trouble building advance sales, it makes the situation worse.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 07:18 AM) The Red Line, Green Line, and Orange Line are pretty convenient to Roosevelt and the river. And your snarky billion dollar comment to someone else seems to be refuted by another article as the city wants someone to build on the land. I doubt any would risk an extra billion to build a development. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/201...h-loop-property Whether you want to believe it or not, the perception is USCF is not in a desirable location. Perception trumps reality. Closer to downtown could have made a huge difference. The after work crowd on weekday nights would have been larger. I just read the article. Rahm wants a NEARLY BANKRUPT city to buy that land! That is too funny. Makes the sox stadium deal look like sunday poker with the ladies.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) It certainly was a consideration 30 years ago. And it would have been a state project. But the mayor was against it. Hence the deal he brokered with the governor. The city had a much smaller infrastructure cost to bear at 35th st.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 07:52 AM) Dick Allen: I still can't believe to this day that JR had the opportunity to have a stadium built in the South Loop and instead wanted to go to Dupage County. They would have drawn alot more people in the South Loop as opposed to their present location OR Dupage County. It has to be the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. I will shed no tears when JR no longer owns the team. The bad thing is the next owner will have the same problem with the Cells location. Harold Washington made a deal with Jim Thompson in 1987 that if the state were to finance a stadium, it HAD TO BE at 35th and shields. Jerry couldn't go anywhere but Florida at that point. And the south loop is not as attractive as you think. A site at Clark and Roosevelt would be 2 blocks from the red line(and the orange line was still years away), no access for the green line, and 5 blocks from the Dan Ryan. And traffic on that stretch of Roosevelt is murder at 8pm in November, never mind after getting 12,000 cars in the area. Oh, and that target that people keep talking about wasn't built until 2004. There was zero development on Roosevelt between state and canal for almost 20 years after the sox stopped looking at the south loop. And of course, the bears wanted NOTHING to do with the sox in the south loop, near west side, or at 35th and shields.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 08:45 AM) many thanks... furthermore, and i am basing this on his dealings with the nhl on the Phx team, the owners wanted the state to build it.... to front the money and the sox to recoup the profits. his objection on the the org plans on the train station area was the best. instead he wanted the Addison sub. as i said, the best area was taken off the plate. they, the owners, just overestimated or over played his hand. now where the park is, the residents will not or does not want the night life. where the park is, it has no appeal what so ever. no reason to really make it an event to attend a game. it is a sad comment. being a season ticket holder for close to 10, it was a problem to get motivated to attend a game and then drive back into the sub..... maybe the fans want to make it a event.... an enjoyable night of doing an assortment of things. if anyone wants to know how the sox owners screwed up with the nhl, google it and see how much he screwed up. Jerry didn't screw up with the nhl. He opted to NOT BUY THE COYOTES. He was one of many prospective buyers that looked at the financials and said "no thanks". And seeing how messed up it ended up(the coyotes are being evicted), he made the right call.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 07:18 AM) The Red Line, Green Line, and Orange Line are pretty convenient to Roosevelt and the river. And your snarky billion dollar comment to someone else seems to be refuted by another article as the city wants someone to build on the land. I doubt any would risk an extra billion to build a development. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/201...h-loop-property Whether you want to believe it or not, the perception is USCF is not in a desirable location. Perception trumps reality. Closer to downtown could have made a huge difference. The after work crowd on weekday nights would have been larger. Of course the city wants the land developed. It'll generate tax revenue. Something an ISFA-financed stadium won't do. But the larger point remains. If the city balks at an intersection project at 300 million(and one that WILL save lives. Google Western and Pershing accidents), I doubt it can swing a major construction project to move several railways and create access points for a stadium that will make the city and state little to no direct revenue(seeing as most teams pocket parking and ticket money).

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 09:59 PM) If you don't live in the city limits or nw Indiana it makes a huge difference. I can just speak of my personal experience but getting to us cellular is by far the hardest stadium for me to get to. The south burbs take 57 and the Ryan to games. It's relatively smooth travel. I know because I am off 57.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 08:42 PM) It's still not a desirable location, and the test for that is how well the Sox draw in seasons when they don't win. Sadly, the Sox have put their fans to that test way too many times throughout the years, as the paltry 5 playoff appearances in the last 55 years would attest. So lo those many years when the Sox weren't good enough to get into the playoffs, and the myriad dismal attendance years to go with that, tells you loudly and clearly there is nothing about that location, absolutely nothing, outside a winning product on the field, that interests people. Period. The vast majority of fans go in for the fame, and then leave after the game. Does the neighborhood really matter? Because it's by a super highway with 4-8 lanes each direction, I will be home in less than 30 minutes. And if I was taking the cta or metra, not much longer. I don't see how Addison or the south loop make a difference.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 08:26 PM) Stop. Just stop. Even remotely suggesting this location is ideal is beyond silly. That dog won't hunt. Having ideal "logistics", as you correctly point out, and a desirable location are two very different things. Our routine abysmal attendance with all of those ideal logistics in place bears that out. There is a reason Jim Thompson made the deal with Harold Washington that cemented this location as the sox home. Other "sexier" locations had major problems. And a lot had to do with the Bears flat out refusing to get a stadium with the sox. Soldier field has probably the nicest location, but is a war zone on game days traffic wise. the south loop has major access problems TODAY, let alone with a ballpark on Clark st.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 08:05 PM) I meant for the 115 years we've been here. The top ten attendance year for the sox are at 333 w 35th st. They only drew 2 million or more fans twice at the old park.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 07:56 PM) And. How. Has. This. Spot. Been. Working. Out. For. Us. As good as it can given the crap on the field.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) i never knew this topic took a sudden turn that the relocation of sox park is on the agenda again. i find this sudden comment of your mere attempt to amuse yourself, but to come across so superior and intelligent with you witty banter. as for my humble defense, i was just attempting to fill in the blanks if needed by some who may not have known of the whole situation, maybe b/c of age. What the f*** are you talking about?

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 03:10 PM) i believe this was discussed before, so why did you chose to demean yourself for simply to take the time to answer. however, you really take time to show your intelligent when it really was never question. however if it is your intention to show how compose you can be, when you need to educate the natives. i guess i should be so honored. Are you high?

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) with today economy, i will ever doubt that will come to be. that sucks b/c the attendance will be a problem at their present location unless they become a continue attendee in the world series game or even the playoff. No. Other. Site. In. Chicago. Or. The. Burbs. Offers. The. Logistical. Advantages. That. 35th. And. The. Dan. Ryan. Offers. Superhighway. THREE rail lines. 7 THOUSAND parking spaces. Find me a spot that can do all that.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) nice fine. sheesh the sox owners have screwed up b/c of their attempt to look for the better deal U.S. Cellular field cost 168 million for a 45k seat stadium. And required no additional infrastructure improvements. Remember, the Dan Ryan, red line, green line, and parking lots were already built. Oh, and Jim Thompson signed a deal with Harold Washington that ensured the sox stadium stayed on 35th and shields

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 03:18 PM) According to this article, it was going to cost $180 million to build a 50,000 stadium at that site. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986-12...tadium-proposal The infrastructure work is much more massive than the actual stadium. Maybe read my post first before posting

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) i didn't know that.... but weren't there talking of building an additional exit and entrance there??? i can't remember. Do you have a spare billon dollars to fix that? By my condo, there is is a rough intersection thanks to railroad viaducts built in the early 1900's. My alderman said the cost to modernize this one intersection( remove some of the beams and help motorists get by with less accidents) would Cost the city 300 million dollars. Needless to say , that intersection remains the same. Do you honestly think the city and state have the money to move railroad tracks ( several lanes worth) and build a tunnel at 16th and Clark for a baseball stadium? And one that won't have nearly as many parking spots as the cell?

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) i don't know... in Addison maybe.... there was some discussion for, if i remember right a place of the 290 right by central exit. And it was voted down by residents. Tampa can't draw even when they go to the World Series. And they have the same arguments sox fans have for the cell: Too far Too much traffic Bad neighborhood Nothing to do nearby Boring stadium Can't take the kids on weekdays