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QUOTE (hawksox13 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 02:37 PM) I can't see how Soriano will be traded after today's trade deadline. Any team that claims him off of waivers risks the Cubs allowing him to go without any type of compensation and the team that claimed him will be stuck with his entire remaining contract. Who in their right mind is going to take that risk with claiming Soriano? I just saw the answer to my question above. He'll simply clear waivers and then a deal can be worked out with any team without that risk. The deadline may be driving me crazy.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 31, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) someone who is a little more familiar with the process could correct me if need be, but Soriano will clear waivers, no team is dumb enough to take that money, then Cubs and Tigers can work out a deal that would include Cubs eating some of that $$$ I can't see how Soriano will be traded after today's trade deadline. Any team that claims him off of waivers risks the Cubs allowing him to go without any type of compensation and the team that claimed him will be stuck with his entire remaining contract. Who in their right mind is going to take that risk with claiming Soriano?

QUOTE (TitoMB @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 01:39 PM) So, Robin really is just going to f*** with Beckham. Phenomenal. If Beckham is so weak in the head that he can't handle being moved from 2nd to 9th in the lineup then he'll likely never meet the potential that we all initially thought he had. See the ball, hit the ball, regardless of your spot in the lineup.

QUOTE (zirc @ Jun 15, 2012 -> 05:36 AM) He, Penny, and Brandon Webb are awesome. On MVP Baseball 2005. .....and sadly he may be a better option than both Humber or Floyd. He won't cost much, Sox may catch lightening in a bottle, why not give it a shot?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 16, 2012 -> 11:02 PM) First things first. Beckham should be sent down and let Lilly play second for a month. And Zach must be sent down. No time to panic on DeAza or Morel yet. I would drop Dunn to seventh and leave him there the rest of the year as well. The man is finished. One homer, three ribbies? That's about right. No time to panic on Morel yet? He wasn't major league worthy last year(minus a fluke month and a half stretch where he was actually semi-productive) and he's not this year either. He never will be because he's not a major league talent. He's just filler on a team that is at best an 82-83 win team. No panic though. I think the 5-2 start clouded our vision as Sox fans. This team does not have the talent to compete with Texas, New York, Detroit, Los Angeles, or Tampa Bay. Detroit is going to run away with the Central by 10+ games. If everything goe right this season the Sox can probably be the seventh best team in the American League and maybe in the top 15 in all of baseball. That's the absolute ceiling for this team. It's going to be a long, frustrating season. Last night was the first of many doses of reality that we'll receive this season.

QUOTE (Real @ Apr 6, 2012 -> 01:10 PM) Thats on our stellar defensive backstop I'll be just fine with it when A.J. is traded or given away this July.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 17, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) You need to understand that blowing it up and "rebuilding" gives you virtually no guarantee of being competitive. The Royals are still rebuilding, and rebuilding, and rebuilding. I understand that rebuilding doesn't guarantee anything. But anybody who thinks the Sox are simply going to retool and be right back in the mix next season isn't seeing clearly. Peavy is a shell of what he once was and will never be that again, Rios just doesn't care to be good, and Dunn has lost all confidence. If Dunn starts slowly next year he'll be in the tank for the entire season. The only way he bounces back is if he comes out hot. Otherwise, it'll be more of what we saw this season. I'm okay with the Sox being bad for a season or two if it means they are heading in the right direction. Currently, I feel like they are in tread water mode. That's not a good place to be.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 17, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) They arent really rebuilding, especially since you have large veteran salaries that you cannot move or replace. They are more restructuring by moving some movable players and replacing them with lower cost alternatives that hopefully have the same or greater production. You're completely right. I guess I'm saying I don't like the restructuring idea and think that'll just put them right where they were this year, around 75-80 wins and not competing for anything. I'd rather them blow it up, shed these terrible salaries, and start moving forward because with Rios, Dunn, and Peavy, this team will never compete for a championship. Those three eat up too high of a percentage of the available payroll to be able to add any significant pieces around them. So let me reshape this and ask if it's reasonable to think that a team may bite at a Rios/Danks type of combination. I just need some hope that we won't be putting up with a team that simply cannot be better than mediocre for the next three plus years. My fear is that this team just goes through the motions for the next three seasons and then rebuilds after that, essentially giving us no competitive baseball team for the next five or six years. Or do I just need to face those facts?

If the Sox are truly going to go young and try to rebuild this thing from the bottom up, they've got to find a way to shed some of their bad contracts. Nobody is going to be dumb enough to take on the salary of Rios, Peavy, or Dunn straight up, but would it be an option for the Sox to pair up some attractive players with these bad contracts in an attempt to free up some money? What I'm talking about is pairing Danks with Rios and trying to get rid of Rios that way. I think there would be a few teams out there that could afford to take Rios as part of this deal. Both the Red Sox and Yankees desperately need pitching. Would they be willing to make this type of move? Yes, you aren't going to get the level of prospects back that you would if you just dealt Danks straight up, but is losing Rios' contract worth giving up on the prospect side of the deal? Again, I'm just trying to think of ways to accelerate getting these bad contracts off the books so the Sox can finally begin moving in the right direction. Having Peavy, Rios, and Dunn completely kills any shot at being competitive for the next three years or so. Extremely expensive guys that give you nothing just kills you unless you are Boston or New York. A couple other "pairings" that the Sox could try would be Gavin Floyd with Adam Dunn or Carlos Quentin with Jake Peavy. I'm just looking at the next three years and see no way the Sox are going to be competitive.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 08:05 PM) Wow 9 users in the game thread 7 guests. Juan Pierre 2000 hits . Congrats Juan ! Football over White Sox baseball puzzles me. Football over pointless White Sox baseball shouldn't puzzle you. And nobody cares about Juan Pierre's 2,000th hit. Let's be honest, he didn't do much of his "damage" in a Sox uniform and he isn't well liked by the fan base.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 25, 2011 -> 09:05 PM) I don't like a situation where I can't root for Jim Thome. You can....unless your competitive fire to want the Sox to finish 2nd and not 3rd is too strong to allow it. Anyone who still thinks the Sox are still in the race is delusional.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 18, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) Why did Sergio plunk that guy? I can't turn up the sound at work. The pitch was steered right in his back. Did you see the Indians catcher with the huge fist pump right behind Beckham's head immediately following Beckham's K? It was over the top. That's why Sergio hit the first batter up. I liked it, but I would've liked a win a whole lot more. This team just isn't going anywhere. That's the sad reality. Oh, and it looks like Beckham will turn out more like Mark Ellis than the perennial all star that some of us thought he'd be. Sobering night.

Yet another frustrating start by Gavin. He's really nothing more than a number four pitcher. Just too bad because his stuff is better than what he will ever live up to.

I'd like to hear one logical/reasonable/sane reason why anyone thinks this Sox team is going to win this division. Not. Going. To. Happen.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 08:14 PM) I agree, but you wouldn't want to at least try him out full time? He was once considered a top prospect and does a lot of good things. How much worse could he be than a few of our other guys? If things were to go south, then sure, play Lillibridge full time and see what he can do. But at this point, I don't think it's best to play him every day. He had a hot start with the bat, but I don't think he's anything more than a .245 hitter with a full season worth of at bats. On second thought...maybe that would currently be an upgrade.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2011 -> 08:03 PM) I still want to see what Lilli could do with 550 at bats. When you play once a week it's hard to get out of a funk. And when you get 550 at bats other teams learn and exploit your weaknesses. Lillibridge is not any everyday player, just a nice bench player.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 18, 2011 -> 10:21 AM) Years ago, they said the same thing about Wade Boggs. They kept him in minors for years, until age 26 I believe. No power, no speed, average defense, etc. Finally, he stuck with BoSox and he hit something like .360 his rookie year and won the batting title. Eventually got 3000 hits and a HOF career. He became a better hitter in majors. Who's to say it won't happen for Kuhn? At least give him a chance to succeed. I'm not sure that it really matters, but if we are talking about facts then Boggs actually made his debut in the major leagues when he was 23 years old. He played in over 100 games that year. He didn't turn 24 years old until two and half months into his rookie season. Big difference between 23 years old and 26 years old, in my opinion.

Hanging slider by Edwin Vazquez. Maybe tomorrow...or possibly Sunday.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) Eddy J 9 in a row. F the haters. As I I'd earlier, the black Javy Vazquez. Pitch just well enough to lose, which does a team zero good. He looks much more comfortable pitching from behind.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 02:36 PM) Doesn't matter how many innings they threw, as most of them were by guys who wouldn't be used in a close game. Marshall and Marmol can't be used in a close game? Marmot threw two innings yesterday. It'd be nice to get into that bullpen today.

At least the Sox hitters are aware that the Cubs bullpen just threw 11 innings yesterday and is completely used up. Way to work deep into counts boys. Wells - 8IP, 3 runs. I can see it now.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) Didn't Javy have some really good years for Montreal? And like you said with Jackson, first half. He's just so damn inconsistent. The most wins Vazquez ever had in a season was 16. Nothing special.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 1, 2011 -> 02:22 PM) Oh please, Javy's at least had huge success in baseball earlier in his career. Huge success? He's always been a .500 pitcher. Never anything special, just like Jackson.

Edwin Jackson = the black Javier Vazquez. I personally will not be sad to see him go.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2011 -> 12:34 PM) A 5 game winning streak right now would have us knocking on the door of first place. I've got to think it happens at some point. I'll go 5. I still have to think that this offense finds a hot streak at some point during the season. Extended winning streaks are made possible by good, deep starting rotations, which I believe the White Sox have. I'm going to go with a season long winning streak of nine games.