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QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) 1.) To get the team ready for the season fundamental wise (yes he failed at that the past two years with our team's s***ting bunting), to make good moves during the games (I think his moves are fine, you guys disagree), to win (he has a damn good record with the Sox). 2.) What he did this year was fireable offense, the team burying itself in April/May. However, even tho he DESERVED to be fired, I think his track record with the Sox earned him a shot to win the battle over KW and see if we could return to greatness under Oz under a new GM. I look at the big picture, which you guys get on me for. Big pix: He already won one WS in Chicago. He's very young. He learned on the job in Chicago (just wait for Alomar/Martinez growing pains, they will be there) and I hate to see Ozzie part II do great things for another franchise. I am convinced he will be one of the greats and I HATE seeing him do it for another team when he learned on the job here in chicago. 1. He didn't do any of the things you mentioned, especially the whole good record with the Sox. .525 is not a good record, it's a record of mediocrity. AND if you look at the big picture (like you said), he's underachieved with some expensive rosters filled with good talent (06, 07, 10, 11). I think the first two things you said in your first point are debatable (to a point), but Ozzie Guillen won big in one season and fell on his face the rest of the time. 2. Why should Ozzie win the battle when he a) has a worse winning percentage than Williams during their stints with the Sox and b) felt like he was entitled to a new deal when he SHOULD have been fired (like you said)? Ozzie wanted out and the only way he was staying is if the Sox fired Kenny. But Ozzie went about that in a bad way by acting like he was entitled while Kenny admitted to his mistakes and was willing to step down. JR's loyal to both of them to a fault, but it's easy to see why JR did what he did. The big picture is this Greg. The Sox won the World Series 6 years ago. My little brother barely knew WTF happened back then and he's in 4th grade already. In the minds of most (including Sox fans), that World Series is on the backburner in terms of relevancy. What people care about is, what have you done for me lately and what can you do for me in the future? The answer for Ozzie is, he hasn't won anything of relevance for the past 3 years given expensive rosters and he looked like he didn't give a rat's ass about this team during most of this season. Kenny Williams didn't change or go "Kenny "The Genius" Williams". Ozzie Guillen did and it was going to get even worse had he stayed.

Uh...what? Mike North is a joke. WSCR didn't even want him, why should the Sox?

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 07:33 PM) Well.... 1 year late is better than never I guess. Hope Kenny thought burning a year of his starter shelf life was worth it. He produced 1.4 WAR out of the bullpen. With the staff the way it was this year, being a starter just didn't fit. Getting him some valuable experience as a reliever in high leverage situations isn't a bad thing, in fact Sale had the 7th best WPA of all relievers in MLB. It's just part of his learning experience. TBH, I'm still worried about him as a starter. He just looks like a guy who will lose a lot of his stuff due to the transition and break down later on in the year.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 06:06 PM) What was expected albeit I thought they'd keep Floyd and just move Danks. Keeping Floyd is probably a smart idea. Although if you move either one of them, you'd be selling low.

Mike Napoli = beast. Angels must be kicking themselves over the Wells trade. It's all Carl Crawford's fault and Tony Reagins loves overpaying outfielders.

Escobar as a top prospect is an absolute joke. He might be Alcides Escobar at best.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 08:46 PM) Those kids need a good ass whooping. lol Oney can talk about Bobby Jenks' personal life problems, but Steve Stone can't make a harmless joke?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 01:06 AM) So man on third and they don't walk Pujols, lefty pitching. Yes it's Lee, but he's already been hit tonight. Base hit by Albert, winning run scores. So do you all want Manuel fired after what he's done? My point? Folks, all managers make bonehead moods. The players have to bail them out. If they don't, they are bums. You guys would FRY OZZIE for not walking Pujols in that situation. If we lost the series you'd be saying: "All the momentum was lost when Ozzie didn't walk Pujols." And what if New York loses to Detroit? Their fans will be livid? Hey it's 1-1. Leyland was a bum the seasons Minnie kept winning the division. What has the Angels' manager done lately? What happened to Clint Hurdle after being the first half darling? They sucked the second half. It's about the players, baby, not the manager! Then why do you infer that Ozzie will win X WS titles with Florida and that he will be inducted into the Hall of Fame? That is, if managers are all the same and the players are everything, why is it that Ozzie should get recognition for the WS he will supposedly win?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) Like they did with say...Edwin Jackson... Sigh. They sold low on Jackson. They will be selling extremely high on Shields, who's really not as good as he was this year.

QUOTE (Cali @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 05:53 PM) Have I mentioned my hatred for the post-season theme song? Whoever that band is is just god awful It's actually the chorus to a rap song... Eric Turner sings the chorus.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 07:05 PM) With their pitching depth the Rays could put Shields on the trade market this offseason. If the A's do the same with Gio, Danks and Floyd's values take a big hit. It would be smart for the Rays to do this. Shields has overachieved his peripherals (although his peripherals are still excellent) this season and he should be a regression candidate come next season. Sell high while you can.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 11:23 PM) So much for Big Game James Shields I'm seriously hoping the Rays lose this series (great story and all, but I care more about the Sox than a great baseball story). It gives us a better chance at Martinez considering the Red Sox are worrying about their GM position as well.

I'm anxiously waiting for NBA 2K12 to release this Tuesday.

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 06:54 PM) We love him more than the rest of the world. There's guys who are type A that are worth far less in value. I think we should offer Buehrle arb.

I chose a good game to attend. Jenkins was flat out beast.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 09:00 PM) Did Jose Bautista & Miguel Cabrera get traded to the NL today? Did Jacoby Ellsbury get traded too? I think he's got MVP locked up, playoffs or not... He's a full WAR ahead of every other candidate.

This Rays team could win it all.

Pretty good deal.

That was pretty poorly written.

I want to see Valverde blow 3 saves this series. That f***er's gotten lucky all year and acts like a total douche.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) I thought Jeff Niemann was announced? It might be Matt Moore.

QUOTE (Papa Tru @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 02:14 AM) Its entertainment, im not 12.. That's good to know.

Phillies in 4.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) Sorry, the yanks have a ton of vets and the A's had personalities too. Swisher got along with Milton Bradley, but he couldn't get along with Ozzie Guillen. Ouch.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 06:30 PM) We'd all be happy. If Dunn starts hitting the ball over the outfield walls regularly and Rios hits .300 and slugs like he did 2 years ago, our new manager likely will be the face of the franchise quickly. No that means Rios and Dunn will be the face of the franchise. If a manager is the face of your franchise, something's wrong.