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Amir Johnson gets a 5 year $34 million deal from Toronto. Are they INSANE?

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 05:34 PM) DeJesus + Pierre in the outfield at the same time just asks teams to take extra bases. I'll take that over terrible range.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 04:49 PM) KC Johnson said it was real. Then he said it's fake and Twitter just killed it.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 04:39 PM) http://www.twitter.com/IamDerrickRose It's fake.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 04:16 PM) Don't think they would do it, but if I was the cubs I would really, really entertain moving Marmol and getting a great deal out of it. Maybe it's just me, but I love Cashner's arm as their future closer. Fukudome is also attractive, but they probably need to eat alot of that salary to get a good prospect or two out of it. Cashner's got some real talent.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 01:33 PM) Greg, the reason people don't idolize Scott Podsednik on here is because Sox fans look at the bigger picture. The entire 25 man roster did something that contributed to that legendary postseason run. Even Dustin Hermanson's contributions, his negative contribution, allowed for a hero in Geoff Blum to appear from the bowels of Minute Maid Stadium and thrusted him into a legendary category (without Play Index, I can't see those people who have a career OPS of 5.000 in World Series history...Kirk Gibson is one of them). Carl Everett grounded out to the right side, which allowed Willie Harris to get to 3B and helped him score the World Series winning run from 3B, and he was driven in by Jermaine Dye - who drove in the 1st run of the World Series. Without AJ Pierzynski's crafty baserunning, Pablo Ozuna doesn't have the opportunity to steal 2nd base and allow him to be driven in by Joe Crede. We all know that Paul Konerko hit a huge grand slam, but we often forget about the 3 run homers he hit in the first inning in back to back games in the ALCS. Orlando Hernandez worked his way out of a bases loaded jam in game 3 of the ALDS, and he has one of the most fascinating playoff lines of all time (1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 4 BB, 2 K). Bobby Jenks was a raw, 24 year old fireballing reliever with a checkered history who was cleaning his act up and becoming a huge part of the big league club. Cliff Politte and Neal Cotts were having the best seasons they ever had, and, really, 2 of the best seasons for any non-closer the Sox had within the past 10 seasons. Tadahito Iguchi didn't have a postseason to write home about, except for the 3 run homer he hit off of David Wells in game 2 of the ALDS to cap off a 4 run comeback in the bottom of the 5th after it looked like the Sox had let their guard down. The entire starting rotation was phenomenal - Jose Contreras continued his run of success into the postseason, Mark Buehrle threw a complete game 5 hitter when the Angels used 4 pitchers and he got a save, Jon Garland threw a complete game, 4 hitter and pitched well enough in game 3 of the World Series to keep the team close, Freddy Garcia threw a 6 hit complete game in game 4 of the ALCS and then threw 8 shutout innings in game 4 of the World Series, only to be relieved by Bobby Jenks, and he got the greatest defensive inning in a World Series from Juan Uribe to win the whole thing. Do you know why I don't put Scott Podsednik on a pedestal? It's because that entire TEAM made contributions to the 2005 World Series, and I look back on that TEAM as something special and incredible, and I don't isolate one or two players from that and treat them as if they are living legends, but rather look at the collective whole and realize its place in history and how great it was for me to actually see that team win the World Series. --- And this October 26th, it will be 5 years from the day that the White Sox won 2 World Series games in the same day. Of course I loved that team, but it was 5 years ago, and most of those guys aren't in the league anymore. Those that are still around are generally mediocre players, and I can look at that and recognize that. Just because I criticize players doesn't mean that I've suddenly forgotten what they've done. It just means I'm not living in the past. Great post, but don't give him any ideas. He might start idolizing even more of that team. To add on to wite's post a little bit... I still have the newspapers from 5 years ago. They're up in my bedroom wall. They've yellowed. But whenever the Sox are in a rough stretch and I'm bored, I take a look at them, just to remember how great of a time that was. Everybody should cherish those moments, but you have to understand that this is now 2010. Most of the guys that were on that team massively overachieved and were mediocre players. You can't hold on to that year forever. There's looking back in time and there's right now. And right now, most of those guys are either out of baseball or league average players, including Scott Podsednik. It's perfectly fine to like those guys for what they did, but to dilute the current situation of the White Sox with something that happened five years ago isn't right.

QUOTE (chimpy2121 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 12:37 PM) Chris Bosh just landed in Chicago. When I first saw this, I thought it said, "Chicago just landed Chris Bosh". Damn it.

Masset shouldn't be THAT much worse. His K rate has actually gone up, but his BB rate has gone up as well. He's allowing a s*** load of line drives (10% more than last year) and has BABIP near .400. So that's probably why. His xFIP is in the low 3s. Masset got lucky last year too. His .250 BABIP was because of a 13% LD%. It's like he pitched to Jayson Nix all year or something.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 12:28 PM) Nobody ever really mentions the 23 to 6 number change for LBJ. Given that you're required to give the league one year notice, that's awfully coincidental. If he's changing teams, he doesn't have to give any kind of notice does he?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 12:25 PM) Bulls: We'd really like to have you Wade: Seriously? Bulls: Well if LeBron goes somewhere else, then maybe yeah Wade: Oh Bulls: Wanna watch "Come fly with me" and maybe "Michael Jordan's Playground"? That should explain why it lasted 90 minutes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 12:11 PM) Some loyalty. That meeting should have lasted 18 years.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 11:12 AM) I actually think 2008 is Ozzie's and Kenny's saving grace as much as 2005. Because that showed they could build a winner a year after disaster. Still, the game is evolving. I'm still satisfied with KW as our GM. But I'm not certain this franchise can fully take off with Ozzie as manager. Even though Kenny isn't a saber guy, most of the guys he acquires are good players. It's not like he's pulling off terrible deals like Dayton Moore or Ed Wade.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 11:12 AM) Am I the only one who sees D-Wade as a VAST downgrade from LeBron? (not that i think anything will happen with Wade, jsut reading a few of the latest posts. Everybody is a vast downgrade in comparison to LeBron.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:43 AM) Gooden signed a 5/32 deal with the Bucks. Think they're overpaying on that one. If they can sign Salmons, they'll have quite a deep team going into next season though if Bogut can get back to 100%. Drew Gooden's not good enough to deserve a 5 year deal...

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:32 AM) Not that my opinion means a thing, but if we don't win the central, I want Ozzie's ass gone. As long as we get a replacement who can make a lineup and manage a bullpen, I'm for it.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:37 AM) Obvious guy is obvious. Thanks.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:33 AM) I saw a rumor about Jefferson that he's gay and they kind of found out about it in San Antonio, which is part of why he wants to get out of town. It's certainly sketchy as to if that's true (I think those rumors actually started last summer), but even with the lockout potentially coming, it makes no sense for him to opt out of 15 million dollars next year. I'd be surprised if the TOTAL for the deal he ends up signing is even 15 million. lolwut?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:30 AM) Definitely, but we've known that all along. Hey, don't ruin my moment of being obvious.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:27 AM) Yeah, I don't think he'll actually win it. Even if he were to maintain this pace. But he's having a hell of a season. He's always been one of my favorite players to watch. I wonder why we never went after him. At $6 million, he was very affordable. That's we offered Damon... I swear, this whole rotating DH idea has been a huge disaster. And any supporters of it have to realize that we've been screwed out of Thome, Vlad, and whoever can't play the field because of it.

Reality definitely sucks. If we don't get LeBron, Wade (yeah right), or Bosh, we're pretty much screwed.

Vlad is a DH, so no... You almost need Barry Bonds numbers if you want to win the MVP as a DH. Look what happened to Ortiz in 2006.

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 08:44 AM) Wrong thread? http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=78227 It does fit nicely here, though. ;-) No, it was definitely for this thread.

YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD, YESSSS, YESSSS! Mercy!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 09:49 PM) Didn't matter at the time, but ump screwed Pena on the 2-2 pitch to Guillen. The check swing? Yeah...

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 30, 2010 -> 09:48 PM) I agree, it didn't cost us the game. It just made it more difficult to comeback all the way to tie/take the lead. The usual issues were present again for the Sox...underachieving starting pitching, poor clutch hitting, NO power from anyone besides 3/4/5 What are you talking about? Brent Lillibridge and Omar Vizquel were the only guys who had extra base hits...