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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:48 AM) But Span had an injury-marred year, had overhanging concerns in that area (hence the online video and planned public workout) and is older, right? Whereas Fowler performed much better last season. At any rate, I hope we drive up the contract for the Cubs instead of falling victim to desperation and overpaying. Fowler had a horrendous 1st half and a great 2nd. He wants to get paid which is why he isn't signed. Teams would give up the pick to sign him for a bargain. They won't pay him his market value and give up the pick though. Until he takes a lesser deal, he won't be signed in my opinion.

Also, Barreto, Bregman, Seager, and one of the Braves guys probably won't play SS in the majors.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 09:25 PM) No. And I need to make up my mind whether to buy mlb.com this year. I don't think our offseason acquisitions make us a contender. I have zero confidence in Robin's ability to get the team to overachieve. Sox desperately need one more stud hitter to go with Abreu. Abreu almost single handedly gives me a reason to get the mlb package though to go with Sale and Q. How could you not buy it? Just curious. I like the team enough to post on a message board regularly about the team but you are contemplating not paying the $$ to watch them play? I guess I take it for granted because I can watch whenever I want but if I lived out of state I feel like I'd buy it no matter what.

I know some people are angry about the direction that this offseason went but as someone who goes to a ton of games, these boards are going to be awesome

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 28, 2016 -> 07:22 AM) What's the highest salary you would have the White Sox pay him for one, two and three years? Would you stop at three or go to four? How close would you be willing to go to $68-72 million? No chance. That draft pick is worth what, like $10-$15 million on the open market? That's why he isn't signed. Fowler came into the offseason looking at a 4 year $60 million deal. That QO completely saps his value. He should have accepted the QO. I'd say a 3 year deal would be in the $38-$42 million range and a 2 year $24-$28 million would be possible. Denard Span got $31 over 3 years with no QO attached.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) Cy, this is one heck of a very well thought out post. Well done sir! At first I didn't like the idea of Fowler but after looking closer at his overall game and taking into consideration some valid points made by SoxTalk members, I'm much more open to the idea and am really beginning to like it. I'd love to see Fowler lead off with Eaton batting second. Can you imagine what would go through the pitchers mind if the 6'5" base stealing threat that is Fowler gets on base ahead of Eaton and has to pitch to Eaton's 5'8" strike zone while worrying about Fowler stealing second? Hmmm, I like the idea of Fowler that much more when I look at it that way. I am a bit confused on the pick. I understand that the Sox lose the (currently) #28 pick if they were to sign Fowler so would the pick the cubs received as compensation be at the tail end of the current list of comp picks? I admit that I'm not really sure how that works. Just curious really, I could care less that the pick would fo to the cubs. As a Sox fan, what matters is that the team improves and not to whom the pick goes to. The draft started out 1-30. The Sox have the 3rd pick in the comp round (33) because it goes by record. 5 teams forfeited 1st rounders (Giants, Cubs, Diamondbacks, Royals, Nationals) giving the White Sox the 28th pick in the draft. The Cubs pick for Fowler would be at the end of the comp round. However, the Cubs signed Lackey and Hayward so they lose their 1st 2 picks (1st rounder, and 2nd rounder if they re-sign Fowler) or (1st rounder and comp round) if Fowler signs elsewhere.

Jason Goff was kind of indicating this morning that he thinks Gar Forman gets fired at seasons end. They were joking about Hoiberg yelling at Gar, complaining that he could be back in Ames instead of this. Goff then said something like "Hoiberg only has about 30 more games to yell at Gar" then they commented about cozying up to Paxson instead. It was interesting.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 08:52 AM) Sorry, I was referring to a 4-3. ILB in a 3-4 as the one that will cover slot/TE I gotcha. I think Lee can play WILB in a 34 front. Probably a WLB in a 43 as well.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseba...very-incomplete Last sentence...without any additions I actually think the White Sox are division and wild card contenders without any more moves. The division isn't great and the AL as a whole is pretty meh. Other additions would help, but they improved 3 giant black holes and I think it's safe to assume some bounceback from their current guys. I don't understand the whole "they are 5th in the division talk". Any of the 5 teams in the Al Central could finish 1st or 5th in my opinion.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 09:11 AM) I just don't see Desmond as a good answer for us. He is not good defensively, struggled offensively last year, and made $11M last year so is probably unwilling to take a giant salary hit even on a short-term deal. He reminds me in some respects of "Joe Love", and although we need offense, I do not think we can afford to have a poor defensive SS. Plus, he costs us a draft pick. He's not a bad defender.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 27, 2016 -> 08:31 AM) No, he's a walkout OLB that can cover TE's in today's game. Ryan Shazier-like. Ryan Shazier plays ILB in Pittsburgh

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 05:29 PM) Sox better be in on this after wiffing in FA this offseason Sox can't really get involved. He'll go to Dodgers or Cubs because they've already gone way over their pool. If the White Sox were to sign Lazarito, they wouldn't be able to sign anyone from the 2016 class.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 03:46 PM) LJ Hoes? Eduardo A. Encina Verified account ‏@EddieInTheYard 6m6 minutes ago #Orioles have acquired OF Efren Navarro from #Angels for cash considerations, designated OF L.J. Hoes to make 40-man roster space. 114 wRC+ with Houston AAA last season. 25 years old.

Phil Emery joining the Falcons front office. I found Shea McClellin's destination in free agency. All joking aside, that's where Phil belongs. He's a good dude and a decent scout. He has a place in an NFL front office. Shouldn't be in charge though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) I wouldn't mind Jackson and do think his trade to Seattle screwed him up, but if you look at his splits, people would argue Safeco had anything to do with it. And isn't your home park built into your WAR? Yeah it probably is actually. I'd be on board with Fowler if he were a better defender.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) 2.3 2.2 1.4 3.2 The last 4 seasons Fowler's WAR. The 1.4 he missed a third of the season so he still is well above a 2.0 on average. And the last 4 years for Jackson are : 2015-2.3, 2014-0.9, 2013-3, 2012 5.4. He also played half his games at SAFECO Field recently. Jackson is the great defender that the White Sox need.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 12:16 PM) Bears taking a close look at QB Carson Wentz. Measured out at 6'5 233 pounds and 10 inch hands QB1 in my opinion.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 12:47 PM) Getting Desmond and Jackson makes so much sense It's the only scenario in which giving up a pick makes sense.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) Would you guys rather: - Give up prospects for Dickerson - Give up the draft pick and $$$ for Fowler For me, it's a hard question that I don't know the answer to. Which prospects?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 12:42 PM) But how much does it beat just getting Austin Jackson who will get you plus defense to go with your elite pitching (1-3) and doesn't tie you up long-term? Also - "not horrible" defense is what I heard about Melky and it seems to usually indicate pretty terrible. It's just a waste of resources. Is the more money, more years and a pick better than Jackson? Fowler is a good player, but I like him a lot less when he is rounded out by Eaton and Melky, whom total will provide us with 45 some hrs a year. Excellent Point. This is why I'd much rather have Austin Jackson, who was also a 2 WAR player last year.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 12:24 PM) I would be game for this trade idea. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2610885...culation/page/5 Haha I think everyone would be.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 10:24 AM) Thoughts on Corey Dickerson? Rosenthal tweeted out this morning that some in the game think he's the most likely of the Colorado OFers to go. Rays are involved. Could come cheaper than the others as well. What would it take to get him? Makes sense. They really don't have a CF if they trade Blackmon

The Big Short is excellent

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 07:08 AM) Fwiw, the premise of the Rays' addition would be for him to split time with Brad Miller at SS and play some left field and DH as well. Right now, there's little consensus how well he would adjust to that role, ala Zobrist and now Logan Forsythe. He could DH vs LHP for us too with Saladino at SS.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 26, 2016 -> 05:13 AM) http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/01/mlb-best-a...s-nationals-mlb Cubs 1, Mets 2, Indians 4, Tigers 21, Royals 22, Twins 25 (but Berrios/Stewart on the way) How are the Cubs #1? Mets have Syndergaard, Harvey, de Grom, Matz, and Wheeler? I don't even know if I'd take the Cubs rotation over the Sox at this point. Sale and Arrieta is a wash. Quintana and Lester is a wash. I think I'll take Rodon over Lackey. Hendricks is probably better than Danks/Johnson but Hammel blows.