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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 08:16 PM) Is Miller projected high? They ought to draft a WR...our top 4 are not models in health. Braxton Miller is projected in 4th round range

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 12:31 PM) Dan @lot_49 @BenBadler Is Tim Anderson a top 25 guy, in your opinion? Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler 35m35 minutes ago He'll be Top 100, but too many risk factors to put him in that group. Yeah he's not 25. Should be top 50 for sure though

I really hope the Bulls trade Pau Gasol. They probably won't though. The Kings are another positive development. Looks like the Bulls may get their 1st rounder after all

John Fox was the previous head coach of the Panthers and Broncos. Just a fun fact. Something really positive though is that he did help build that Denver defense. I expect Mailk Jackson and Danny Trevathan to be free agent targets of the Bears.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) I am not going to "dog" them for not getting Cespedes, its pretty clear he wanted to go back to the Mets. But giving up a pick for a declining middle infielder with poor defense is just a bad move to make. Just because they missed on one guy doesn't mean they should make a move like this just for the sake of making a move. Desmond isn't a bad defender.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) I would imagine the odds of his getting out of the NL are pretty low, no? Is it still NL first in the offseason or is it draft order?

Fangraphs' piece on Liriano: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/projecting-...-rymer-liriano/

I saw on twitter that Desmond is projected for 3 zWAR next season with 21 homers by the ZIPS projection.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jan 25, 2016 -> 10:25 AM) I think Rymer Liriano would be a pretty interesting claim For sure he would. I think it'd have to be a trade.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) Sale is better than Price and Greinke. Price was the best pitcher in the AL last year.

I'd like this move if the Dodgers ate some of the $$. Ethier absolutely raked vs RHP last year.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 02:44 PM) And Jackson doesn't have a pick attached. Desmond and Jackson or Fowler and Rollins. I don't know which I'd prefer. I guess the Fowler route is safer, the Desmond route more upside. Fowler's OBP would be a nice addition to the lineup. Hopefully they could get Desmond for 2 years plus a team option. He'd provide insurance against Anderson stalling out or struggling, plus injuries or poor performance from Lawrie or Frazier (the injury part) To the people overly concerned about losing a draft pick, consider that this is the last season in the foreseeable future when signing a qualified-offer free agent won't result in losing our top draft pick. I'd prefer Desmond and Jackson. Desmond is still good defensively and 2 years ago was good enough to turn down $100 million. He was probably the best SS in the NL behind Tulo. If he gives you power and defense at SS in the short-term, the White Sox would have a mighty thunderous infield. Then they could let him walk next year or the year after and get a pick back for him leaving.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 02:53 PM) Who knows what went down. These media-driven notions that the Nats offer of 5/100ish was "higher" are silly....The Mets' 3/75 with an opt out is a much better offer. The Sox FO just doesn't execute very well, however. Seem to lack a coherent strategy and the ability to pull the trigger. Or they weren't ever paying him $27 million in year 1 which is the most likely scenario

QUOTE (LDF @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 08:58 AM) i can respect what you are saying, but beside the money aspects.... i would go with one part of this, with a comparison to another team. last yr, the blackhawks traded for Vermette and the price was steep, a 1st rounder. but he provided a stabling force on another line and provided skills in some key games for another SC win. so in essence this was a trade of a 1rounder for a SC.... for me, a fair price to pay. with Cespy..... this was or is a 27.5 mil contract for a yr and an opt ..... and he would provide many things for the sox, including the unknown, the future and a rep of a org that will want to win. even who knows, maybe a chance to compete for a playoff berth, provide head to head media completion in chi again that 3 head monster from the northside and of the trickle down effect of fans coming to the part..... a lot of positives, that is what a key player can add or help to add with the other great players the sox have on the team already. Cespedes isn't a good enough player to warrant a deal like that. The White Sox set a price and didn't go past that. That's what smart organizations do. He also wanted to be in New York. People that are b****ing about not getting him would be b****ing about the contract had they signed him.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 08:41 AM) Yeah I don't want to give up anything of value for Blackmon or Dickerson. Idk I guess it depends. I agree. Doesn't make sense. The Dodgers are the team that I would call about an OF

Bruce Levine said this morning that the White Sox were in it until the $$ got crazy. He said they were never making Cespedes one of the highest paid OF's in the game. He said that expects something else because they need to finish the job. He's speculating about Colorado but that doesn't really make sense either.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 05:42 PM) Kyle Glaser ‏@KyleAGlaser 5m5 minutes ago #Padres DFA'd OF Rymer Liriano to make room on roster for Ramirez. Liriano, once a top prospect, hit .292, 14 HR, 64 RBI in AAA last year Worth a claim or trade? He had a really good year in AAA last year. Still only 24 years old.

Kyle Glaser ‏@KyleAGlaser 5m5 minutes ago #Padres DFA'd OF Rymer Liriano to make room on roster for Ramirez. Liriano, once a top prospect, hit .292, 14 HR, 64 RBI in AAA last year Worth a claim or trade?

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 09:09 AM) The bullpen has quietly been built into a pretty solid unit. I figured Albers was as good as gone after last year, good to see him back in the fold. Even if he regresses a bit, he should still be effective. For sure. They now have Robertson, Jones, Petricka, Putnam, Kahnle, and Albers. They also have Duke, Jennings, and Phillips as far as LHP. Aumont and Turner are wildcards in this as well as some minor league guys and guys that will be NRI's. Pretty deep bullpen.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) Always enjoy the rock solid analysis in your posts, but seems to me that we're circling around the same point and might not be in disagreement at all. I'm in no way suggesting that "our" preferred terms includes three years for anyone, no matter what. We can all quibble about the baseball pros and cons of the talent targeted by RH and the Sox (and I think we've been less than adequate overall in targeting the right people), but it strikes me as silly to think that RH and company lack the intelligence to do his full-time job in a professional manner. Hahn is a Harvard educated attorney; listen to him for a minute and you realize he's a very bright individual. Despite the goofiness of media blurbs, does anyone think for a moment that the Sox would actually have a "three or no deal" policy, no matter what? You're right, if that were "our" policy, we'd be entirely out of synch with the rest of baseball. Instead, and what I was suggesting, was "we" value specific targets in specific ways. Stated differently, there might be "nice to haves" and then "must haves." It's perfectly reasonable to assume that in the opinion of those whose opinions matter for the organization (management -- not the fans and certainly not the media), management determined Cespedes to be a "nice to have." Get him on our terms and we'll take the known risks (obviously with the considerable upside potential too); however, no taking unnecessary risks (outside of our terms), no chasing. On a personal level, I think that getting any one of the big-three (not relevant now, but I preferred Gordon's skill set overall for this team, although I think Gordon was never truly on the market at all) actually a "must have" and the calculus changes to something dramatically different than the calculus for the nice to haves. Everyone can have their opinion, of course, but no way do the Sox have some rigid "three years or bust" policy. In fact, I'm convinced knowing their past, knowing the creativity of the management team, and knowing the near inside info I was told, they presented a three year deal with a host of asterisks -- an opt out and option years. That's what THEY thought Cespedes was worth. It doesn't matter that WE might have disagreed or done differently if we were holding down their jobs. Finally, the Sox did what it took to reel in Adam Dunn with a four year deal -- Dunn's best deal on that market. They considered him and his left-handed boom or bust approach a must have at the time (somehow I wasn't around when they called to ask my opinion, so they missed me telling them that I've always hated that style of slugger). Just last year, they bested the market and gave David Robertson a four year deal because they considered getting that "lock-down closer" a must have. They'll do what it takes when a guy achieves that "must have" status, but they'll let the "nice to haves" go if the price exceeds their internal assessment of value. That's a sound way to run any business that isn't simply a play-toy of a wealthy billionaire owner. I think a lot of the angst going on in this thread is simply some Sox fans valuing Cespedes more than Sox management does. Now, continually making the wrong choices is a good way for management to lose their job, but sticking to sound process is not. This is an excellent post

If they added Desmond and Jackson and kept Garcia and LaRoche, I think it'd look like this. vs RHP 1. Eaton LF/RF 2. Cabrera LF/RF 3. Abreu 1B 4. Frazier 3B 5. Desmond SS 6. LaRoche DH 7. Lawrie 2B 8. Avila C 9. Jackson CF vs LHP 1. Eaton LF/RF 2. Cabrera LF/Rf 3. Abreu 1B 4. Frazier 3B 5. Desmond SS 6. Lawrie 2B 7. Garcia DH 8. Novarro C 9. Jackson

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:40 PM) he also slid right back into the "Me vs the Front office and JR" role. Its really hard to listen to/read him without hearing his axe grinding Absolutely. He makes good, accurate points but they don't get taken seriously because he clearly has an axe to grind with management.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) How's his accuracy been with his Bulls reporting? He's been very accurate but he's an asshole so people don't listen to him

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:53 AM) This is what I'm thinking. Hahn said that they were going to look at upgrading the outfield. They haven't don't anything up to now and supposedly are in for Cespedes but if they weren't fully going to go in why didn't do something else before hand. There were alot of second tier guys they could've gotten without picks attached and they didn't do anything and still don't seem to he moving on at this point. It's been way to quite on their part It seems like the White Sox were offering a short term deal of 3-4 years because that's what everyone else interested was doing as well. Cespedes probably figures that if there isn't big $$ to be had, then he'd rather just go back to the Mets. I don't think the Sox played this wrong. They just set a limit to as far as they'd go to sign Cespedes. He's a good player. He's not a great player. They were interested if the market came to them and I think it did. However, Cespedes would rather be in New York. If you think the White Sox should have offered him a $100 million contract and that they are cheap because they didn't, that's your prerogative. WhiteSoxLIfer: This isn't about you. Just in general.

I was hoping that the Sox would be interested in Austin Jackson. I'd also be okay with seeing what it'd take to get Ethier or Carlos Gomez. I'm not a fan of signing Fowler because I want to keep that draft pick but I'd live with it because the team would be better.