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QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 06:20 PM) The Sox didn't get enough back for Santiago, in my opinion. LAA and Arz both got a lot more. Disagree. Trumbo is a 1B with a .299 obp. They have nowhere for him to play. Putting him in LF may be a bad idea.

Keith Law is a fan of the Paulino signing and the acquisition of Adam Eaton. UH-OH haha. Angels' haul Hector Santiago gives the Angels a solid back-end starter option, a fifth-starter floor with the potential for more if he can continue to throw more strikes. Santiago is unique among major league starters as a practitioner of the almost-lost art of throwing the screwball, a pitch that can be hard on the elbow but is especially effective because major league hitters never see it. His fastball is just average and he's been fly ball-prone, but the latter is less of a problem in Angel Stadium than in U.S. Cellular Field. Santiago's main issue has been lack of control, although he cut his walk rate from 13.1 percent to 11 percent from 2012 to 2013, and I doubt he'll ever be better than "adequate" in that department, but he can miss enough bats to be worth maybe 2 WAR and fill 180 or so innings, both of which fill a real need for the Angels in the short term. Tyler Skaggs was originally drafted by the Angels and went to Arizona in the Dan Haren trade, making this the second time that Angels GM Jerry Dipoto -- who used to work for Arizona -- has traded for him. Still just 22 years old, Skaggs took a step back in 2013 as the Diamondbacks shortened his stride, resulting in a higher release point that cost him several miles per hour on his fastball and depth on his breaking ball. Lengthen him out so he finishes out over his front side again and he should be back to 90-94 mph again with the hammer he had as recently as 2012, when he projected as a potential No. 2 starter and was the best left-handed starter prospect in the game. Both Skaggs and Santiago are pre-arbitration players, so the Angels save nearly $4 million in the transaction for 2014. Chicago fills a need The White Sox picked up a player who was a favorite of mine heading into the 2013 season, outfielder Adam Eaton, a scrappy, hard-nosed, grinder type who has worked to make himself into a good enough defender that he could be average in center with work on his reads and above average or better in a corner. He has an outstanding approach at the plate, getting himself into a lot of hitter's counts with the ability to foul off pitches he doesn't feel like he can take. He's an above-average runner whose only real negative is fringy power that could end up as 15-plus homers in the White Sox's homer-friendly home park. Alejandro De Aza is their incumbent center fielder, so Eaton could end up replacing Alex Rios in right, posting a .370-380 OBP with very good defense. Santiago has value to them, but they have more arms who can replace him (like Erik Johnson) while they don't have anyone with Eaton's OBP potential -- Rios led the team in 2013 with a .328 mark before he was traded. Trumbo a square peg in Arizona The Diamondbacks' end of this leaves me at a total loss. They acquired a player they didn't need who doesn't fit their current roster and gave up two young, cheap, controllable assets on whom they seem to have completely soured in the past 10 months. Mark Trumbo is a very limited player overall -- he can only play first base and his huge raw power (at least a 70 on the 20-80) scale is mitigated by his inability to hit breaking stuff, resulting in chronic sub-.300 OBPs. With Paul Goldschmidt kind of OK over there at first, Trumbo will have to play left field, which will bring back memories of Ryan Klesko for those of you old enough to remember that adventure; I can picture the Diamondbacks' front office sitting there at Salt River Fields in late March and wondering what the heck they've done. The minor leaguers coming to Arizona -- one from the Angels, reportedly fringy relief prospect AJ Schugel, and one from the White Sox -- don't matter enough to change the fact this is a net loss of value for the Diamondbacks. There could be a ripple effect for Arizona, as now third baseman Matt Davidson becomes a surplus asset with Martin Prado likely moving from left field to third base. The Diamondbacks also have two comparable shortstops in Didi Gregorius and Chris Owings, only needing to keep one of them, and could try to use these two players to fill any remaining holes.

QUOTE (wardo @ Dec 10, 2013 -> 07:50 AM) Probably not. You get a pitcher back who's controllable through arbitration until 2016, and in a couple of years a guy who could help your outfield. And most likely add to your minor league pitching stock for future trades with the one or two pitchers that would come from the Sale trade. The goal is to compete long term, so getting rid of one pitcher for help in both pitching and the outfield is seen more of a long-term goal than holding on to a guy who may blow his arm out and as good as he is, only pitches one out of every 5 games. Are you joking? Sale is signed through 2019 at just under $60 million. He is the best LH starter in the AL and he is under control. Even if he has Tommy John Surgery, the contract is still a bargain. That's how good it is. Sale will not be traded unless a package similar to what has been cited on here is offered. There is no reason to.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 11:26 AM) Never Forget.... how easily offended some are over a one-day bar promotion. Too soon???? It's been 70 years. People are way too sensitive in my opinion.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) Now that Sale talks are heating up, I'd actually try to get teams in a bidding war. Package I'd ultimately settle on, from Dbacks: Eaton, Davidson, Owings, Bradley, Trahan, Skaggs and Delgado. Sox toss in Nate Jones. You then hope in a few years you get this... 1B - JDA 2B - Semien SS - Owings 3B - Eaton LF - Hawkins CF - Eaton RF - Garcia DH - Viciedo Quintana Delgado Santiago/Skaggs Johnson Bradley You need a God's Ransom for Sale. Nothing less. My thoughts exactly. Archie Bradley, Tyler Skaggs, Randall Delgado, Matt Davidson, Stryker Trahan, and Chris Owings gets it done for me. That's the deal. Sale is under team control for 6 more seasons. Arizona is probably unwilling to pay that price but that should be the starting point.

Merkin and Hayes have both just reaffirmed most of our stances on Sale. Said Hahn would be crazy not to listen, but would have to be bowled over with a stupid offer to deal him. I cannot post the tweets currently.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 08:53 PM) A Rock/Bucket appearance would be nice right about now. Dan Hayes should be a pretty good source on this. He has been the beat writer for both clubs.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 08:34 PM) Headley plus an extension along with Grandal would cost more than Quintana. I'd be ecstatic to acquire both of them, but more pieces would have to go to San Diego. It would lock down 3B and C for the foreseeable future. I completely agree. Would something like Nate Jones be enough of a sweetener or are we talking more than that still? Grandal should be available with Meadows in the pipeline though. Also, mods do you want to merge this thread with the Headley stuff from the trade talks thread? I didn't realize people were talking about it in there when I added to this one.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 06:44 PM) At the very least, when someone resigns with a team they already played for they lose the compensation pick right? That's true. There won't be a comp pick for Napoli for example. Same with Kuroda. Don't the Yanks actually get a pretty good deal overall? The Yanks lose their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rd picks because of signing Beltran, McCann, and Ellsbury. They receive 2 comp round picks for Granderson and Cano though, correct? So they will still have 2 top 50 selections and the 3 big name free agents?

QUOTE (dayan024 @ Dec 8, 2013 -> 08:29 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 1m #WhiteSox want Chase Headley but dont want to part w/ Jose Quintana to get him. Controllable years key. #Padres http://bit.ly/1fbi2pS I just put this in the Chase Headley thread. You beat me to it.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-...ley-if-they-pay Dan Hayes mentions the White Sox longstanding interest in Chase Headley. San Diego wants Quintana in return. What does everyone think? Quintana is a very important part of the White Sox future but I could get Chase Headley with an extension along with Yasmani Grandal, I think I could part with Quintana and a young reliever. Any thoughts guys?

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 01:25 PM) This all sounds like wishful thinking. While Dunn is arguably one of the worst Sox ever, that same fact will probably keep him here thru 2014. Nobody wants to pay for a guy who won't play team ball. Disappointing for contract that was signed and what was expected? Yes. One of worst Sox ever? No. Jesus he wasn't even close to being the worst guy on the team LAST SEASON. You either have an agenda or need a different television.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 01:01 PM) Beckham's wife*** and also why did A.J. have to let her on? Why is it on him? I never ever heard the story He didn't have to. Under Ozzie only wives were allowed to ride on the team plane on the road. Under Ventura, he allowed the younger guys to hve their girlfriends on the team plane. It was reported by Barry Rozner and Matt Spiegel that AJ defiantly objected to these new rules and made a stink over them. It was also reported that AJ was a pain in Ventura's ass. That's fine but another reason why he is gone now. The plane thing is ridiculous. It takes someone with pretty thin skin that just "wants to be angry" to be upset about that in my opinion.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 12:37 PM) Where are these two lefties coming from? Wouldn't shock me if we only have one. Leesman and Veal.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 12:40 PM) I listened to that interview and early on, in the background, you can clearly hear Hahn's phone ringing. Anyone want to speculate which team and trade proposal was on the other end? I'll say it was the Marlins which is why Rick didn't answer the phone, because he knows they always call collect & besides he doesn't want Lomer Morganson or whatever his stupid name is anyway. Did you take the beginning of the interview as Hahn putting the Konerko signing squarely on Reinsdorf? That's what i heard

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 12:36 PM) Just to try and understand, is the g/f of Beckham situation on the plane the reason for the AJ bashing? It's one of them. Nobody is bashing AJ. I liked him on the White Sox. He was one of my favorite players on the team. He's not a class act though. And pretending like he is some great person doesn't do anything for me.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 09:54 AM) Beckham's g/f as far as I know back then was Scotty Fletcher's daughter...who's smoking hot, and has a history with the White Sox as a player. Not only that, but Beckham was/is close with Greg Walker, and of course Fletcher is now Walker's assistant hitting coach with the Braves. Hawk Harrelson, Walker, Beckham and I'm pretty sure Fletcher all have Georgia ties. Yes this is true. They also got married this summer. Not that it matters.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) Ha. WTF does Beckham's girlfriend need to be on the team plane for? Was there some dire situation where that was the only way she could get from Point A to Point B as quickly as possible? Beckham can use all that draft bonus money and arb salary he hasn't lived up to and buy her a first class ticket. AJ knows how this game is played. AJ knows how a team is supposed to be run, how a clubhouse is supposed to work, he knows both the rule book and all the rules that aren't written in there but should be. Beckham's girlfriend scenario, IF true, would be what you call an error of omission, not an error of commission, by Robin. Robin doesn't necessarily get nicked for it in the media because no one is scoring on it, but AJ is right in taking corrective action because it is the type of error that can lead to a whole host of greater mistakes later on. It's also laziness & lack of leadership to allow an unestablished and overall a fairly unimportant player such privileges. In fact, not having AJ around to help Robin along may have contributed to last team's horrible season. And IF there is truth to this, then I also believe that Beckham's girlfriend may have cursed this team in which case the plane should be thoroughly washed and blessed by several priests and Minnie Minoso and Steve Stone too just to cover all the bases. I think AJ was upset that his girlfriend couldn't ride on the plane.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2013 -> 12:10 AM) For what he is doing for Hawk. I'm speechless. AJP is total class. He was very classy 2 years ago when he berated Ventura on the team plane for allowing Beckham's gf to fly on the team plane. AJ was great on the White Sox and he helped the team win a World Series. Let's not pretend that he was some fantastic guy though. This is a cool thing that he is doing for a guy he respects. How about how he treats people he doesn't respect? Good ballplayer. Bad guy.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 01:17 PM) What are your guys thoughts on trying to acquire this guy? A young cost controlled left handed power hitting outfielder. I believe he would be a great addition. I can see a deal revolving around Santiago and De Aza for Brown and 1 or 2 low level players. Thoughts? Why would Philadelphia trade Dominic Brown?

Boy am I glad Granderson went to the Mets. That's a lot of coin for what he does and Sox keep their draft picks. Ideal scenario.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 11:15 AM) Jon Morosi is saying the Mariners think they have the pieces to get David Price. The Sox have to listen on Chris Sale. They'd be nuts not to. I think a deal centered around Tijaun Walker, James Paxton, and Nick Franklin may indeed land Price for the Mariners. It makes sense for them. They also have a new $2 billion TV deal and they want to fill the seats. They are supposedly still in on other free agents as well.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) At this point I would take him on a 1 year deal. For the White Sox? You would give up a 2nd round pick for 1 year of Cano?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 07:46 AM) There's one thing you're missing. I'd rather have flexibility too...in the roster. We already have 2 guys who can backup 1b to give Abreu extra time off if needed, Dunn and Keppinger (and hell Flowers in a pinch). We're sacrificing flexibility at every other position in the lineup in order to have extra flexibility at 1b/DH...which is one of the easiest positions to move someone to for a couple games if needed. Oh, and we also could throw Andy Wilkins onto the bench for a few games if someone got hurt so we even have an obvious 4th backup at the minor league level. We're saying the only position we want any flexibility at is 1b, and it's ok if we have none anywhere else. Gillaspie can play 1B as well.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 6, 2013 -> 08:48 AM) Based purely on talent alone, there is no way I'm taking Chris Sale over Felix Hernandez. This is in reference to Jose Fernandez.