Chicago White Sox

Fucking lose you losers…lol

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Would be a fitting conclusion

Good thing we don’t have bench and need to rely on Sheets st 2B

Graveman doing his best to kill any remaining trade value and be stuck in this hell hole for another year.

“We are going to control the strike zone on both sides of the ball” - Pedro Grifol to the baseball world before realizing that would require actual coaching.

Also, from Bob on Lance Lynn:

A dominant Giolito start is all I ask for today.

Do we have any left that actually questions now that Fegan is gone?

Also, from Bob’s column:

This is a promising sign. Lynn has been really good in three of his last four starts. Hold to your price for now and hope he can give you three strong starts to close out July. If not, you should be able to dump the majority of his contract, but would be great to extract something of value.

Shirley actually inspires some hope for me. Seems like he’s done a pretty good job of bringing in legit talent in his three years on the job, although it can be challenging at times to fully verify that given a GM who will rush certain high-end prospects (see Crochet) and a still very poor Player Development staff. The big thing for me is Shirley is willing to swing for the fences. Crochet almost immediately flashed his insane potential and it’s interesting to think what could have been if they actually tried developing him into a starter. Montgomery is the best prospect we have drafted in ages and has legit Corey Seager upside. Schultz is super intriguing with his height, stuff, & arm slot. And that’s just the first round picks. Done are the days of taking safe college players in the 2nd round (occasionally over-slot). Shirley has taken two prep players and an injured, but high-ceiling arm in his three drafts. The returns on those first two guys admittedly haven’t been great so far, but with HS kids you can at least dream on them a bit longer than your Steele Walker types. Beyond that, he’s done some really good work in the mid / later rounds as well. I don’t have strong feelings on this year’s draft, but just want to see Shirley continue doing what he’s been doing. Scout the talent, identify & select those with high ceilings, and hope one day the Sox can actually develop raw talent into valuable major league players. At the end of the day, I’d rather have one Colson Montgomery than three Gavin Sheets types.

Someone in the Gamethread is claiming Steve Stone said Rick Hahn’s job is safe. If true, then we truly are fucked. My nine year old just started getting into baseball and he’ll probably be in college before the Sox are good again.

How would people feel about these hypothetical trades?

If they were to sell Giolito, Lynn, & Clevinger (plus other things) they’ll probably lose 100 games. The pitching depth is atrocious.

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I’m more referring to a $13M AAV which is barely above what Mike Clevinger got. 4 win players typically get more than that as free agents, but again, teams were skeptical given his recent track record. I don’t have a better comp because there aren’t a ton of +3 win pitchers who were rentals who also have been traded recently. That doesn’t make Jose Quintana in a different trading environment a good comp though.

If Hahn survives this off-season, then there is no hope for the franchise until Jerry dies. Not trying to be grim here, but no one can look at Rick’s track record and the epic failures of this season and not realize he is not capable of being an even average GM. The proof is in what we’re paying per win, how overmatched our new manager is, and poor our farm system is. At this point in his tenure, I can’t name one single strength of his. Even the “extensions” have come to pass. Rick Hahn is a straight up clown and his level of incompetence almost makes the crazy part of me wonder if he’s a chaos agent trying to help the Cubs win Chicago because he is literally that bad at his job. f***, at this point Chris Get sounds like an upgrade and he oversees a bottom five farm system. To say this franchise has hit rock bottom under Rick Hahn is an understatement. You know it’s bad when you miss the “mired in mediocrity” days. Unfortunately since then Rick has rebuilt this team in his own image and that is plain shitty. May the baseball gods please take mercy our poor souls and rid the franchise of the abomination that is Richard Hahn.

Not anytime soon. Hahn was literally just talking about the how the Sox have the best record in the AL Central since May 1st three days ago. He’s still talking like the playoffs (and a playoff run…lol) are still in the realm of possibility.

Quintana is not a great comp though. Dude got a 2/$26M contract following that great season because people remain skeptical of him. Giolito has more value than him. There are also a ton of teams in need of SP this year, which should help elevate a return.

Go America!

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100%. Let them fail and hopefully adjust. If not, at least you gave them a shot to flash something.

Another reason to blow it up is a likely payroll decrease next year. I don’t see us going above $150M and that might be stretching it. Right now we are on the hook for $75M between Moncada, Benintendi, Eloy & Robert plus the buyout of Clevinger and the remaining money owed to Leury. That gives us $75M to work with to build an entire pitching staff and fill nine positional spots. Yes, there are some pre-arb guys, but not a ton of them. On the positional side of things, we got Burger, Colas, & Sosa. Technically Zavala & Perez are pre-arb, so maybe assume one of them will be the backup catcher? Romy & Sheets also could be bench options theoretically, but kind of goes against trying to win. On the pitching side, it’s primarily Santos & Crochet in the bullpen (assuming the ladder will even be healthy), although I’m sure there is a AAA reliever or two who might be options. Let’s assume we get a pre-arb SP prospect in a Giolito trade that can fill a spot in the rotation right away. That’s 11 guys for roughly $7M in cost if you include two AAA rando’s for the bullpen. That leaves the arb & option guys. The former is basically just Cease, Kopech, & Vaughn and my guess is they’d make close to $20M combined next year. The latter is Tim, Lance, & Liam. Even if they decline Lance’s option, you are looking at $30M in commitments. Combined those five add another $50M in payroll. That leaves $18M to fill out the remaining six spots, which will require a starting catcher, two SP, and three relievers. And the vast majority of the team will be from the same group that completely floundered this year. Does anyone actually feel this like this a rotational path towards competing in 2024? Again, blow it the F up and let a new external leader rebuild the organization.

Our rotation in a championship-pursuing season includes Touki Toussaint and Tanner Banks. Good fucking god does Rick Hahn suck a fat you know what.