Everything posted by Chicago White Sox
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MLB 2021-2 off season thread
I honestly can’t recall if they actually made a token offer or not. It almost felt like when we lost out on Machado we were beyond our cap with Harper and never made a legit offer.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
Paying him SS money to play him at 2B the next 8 to 10 years seems like a poor allocation of resources. I also don’t love the fit given his splits against RHP.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
I agree the trades are definitely in the White Sox’s favor and unlikely at those prices, but I the overall plan could work if increase the cost for Marte, reduce the prospect return for Kimbrel, and kick in more money in the Keuchel deal.
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MLB 2021-2 off season thread
I wish Jon Heyman would write his own tweets instead of letting the agents post whatever PR bullshit they want.
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MLB 2021-2 off season thread
Who is the RF? I’m assuming the others are Machado, Wheeler, & Tanaka? What about A-Rod’s rumored 10/$190M back in the day?
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MLB 2021-2 off season thread
Thanks for setting expectations Jack. I definitely wouldn’t want any joy or optimism in my life and I know I can always count on you to enforce that.
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Justin Verlander re-signs in Houston
Yeah, my view with starting pitching is you got to plan for a major injury to ensure you’re setup for success come October. Cease is the perfect #4 starter heading into the 2022 season because he’s already damn good, could get even better, and provides insurance if one of your top three guys go down. I don’t want to take any chances on Keuchel or a wore down Kopech making important playoffs, which means adding another TOR starter to pair with Giolito & Lynn.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
@ChiliIrishHammock24 - Love the overall plan, but Quintana undermines it for me. For this framework to work, you need to bump up the budget to $185M and get a better starter.
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Justin Verlander re-signs in Houston
To me, left-handed power bat and TOR starter are my 1A & 1B. The reality is we’re one injury away from having 3/5 of our rotation composed of two guys on innings limits in Dallas & Michael (one of whom was horrible) and a guy who probably came close to getting DFAed last year in Lopez. Even with a great offense and in a week division, I’m not sure that rotation gets you to the postseason.
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Justin Verlander re-signs in Houston
I’ve always believed that NSC and Portillo’s occasionally get some second hand info, but greatly exaggerate what they actually know (which is very little). I don’t recall having a lot of faith in Al’s and it’s pretty clear he stole most of his shit from Soxtalk or other people on Twitter. Regardless, anyone making a dumb pun-based Twitter account is almost certainly a fraud at this point and can be ignored IMO. Honestly, I put more stock to a wild rumor if someone is willing to put their name to it then hide behind a stupid food based handle.
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Justin Verlander re-signs in Houston
None of these new accounts think they have sources, they are doing this for attention and you are giving it to them. Orlando literally parlayed all the Soxtalk attention given to the Al’s Cheesy Beef account into a legit Twitter following. At least with NSC & Portillo’s, they at least got something right at one point in time (still mostly frauds IMO). I’d advise against enabling more of these copycat accounts that clearly are fake.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
Oh shit yes.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
What would your plan be? Throw out some ideas. You seem to be against veterans, so it doesn’t seem like you have much interest in maximizing the 2022 to 2024 window. And Marte is a pretty damn good player. He had a 7 win season in 2019 and put up 2.9 fWAR in 90 games last year. He seems like a good bet to be a 4.0 to 4.5 win player over the next three years and provides better balance to the lineup being a switch hitter with good contact rates and who can actually hits sliders pretty well
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
I think he’ll want the highest AAV of all-time and arguably that’s ~$40M.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
Look I used BaseballTradeValues to validate the trade and that tool is obviously flawless. But yes, it feels light unless the Dbacks really like Crochet, who is very hard for me to value. I could see rebuilding teams being incredibly high on him as they could send him down to AA and let him spend a year or two building up innings in the minors. If they are, then it’s three former 1st round picks plus a kid with some helium. Maybe just maybe it works.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
All good brother. Trust me, I don’t think that plan is in the realm of realism, but it’s fun to dream big. I still think one relatively major free agent signing will happen.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
Alright, if the Sox want to get aggressive per Nightengale’s tweet, they need to make major splashes in RF, 2B, & SP: IMO, the dream scenario would be the following: RF: Michael Conforto = 4/$76M SP: Max Scherzer = 3/$120M 2B: Ketel Marte for Garrett Crochet, Colson Montgomery, Jose Rodriguez, & Jared Kelley (works per MLBTradeValues ?) You’d be clearing $200M in payroll, but damn would that team be insane. What do you guys think? What RF, 2B, & SP combo would you go for?
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Lance Lynn Cy Young Finalist
Frazier wasn’t as good as advertised (too many IFBs), but I’m not losing sleep over that trade. It made sense at the time and he still gave us ~3 wins a season.
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Lance Lynn Cy Young Finalist
Montas was in the Todd Frazier trade and not the Shark deal.
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Qualifying Offer Tracker
Hahn is not going to come out and say “his arm is shot and we’re moving in a different direction.” The reality is the didn’t like what they expected to get out of him in 2022 for $18.4M.
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Justin Verlander re-signs in Houston
What in the world are you ranting about? The Sox traded Dane fucking Dunning for an AL Cy Young finalist. They offered an NL Cy Young finalist the largest contract in free agency. They aggressively pursued and were supposedly close to acquiring the NL Cy Young winner for Nick Madrigal, Codi Heuer, and a couple minor leaguers. I get some of those moves were theoretical, but they’re proof they’re targeting the right players. And what are all these veteran contracts you are so worried about? Kimbrel will be moved this offseason. Abreu & Keuchel are free agents after the year. Grandal only has two years left. Lynn just came in 3rd place in the AL Cy Young race and only has two guaranteed years left. I guess Hendriks still has three years left, but not really worried about this at the moment. You’re literally creating an issue that doesn’t actually exist. And no idea what the A Ball pitchers have to do with anything? If they all fail, it may limit our window, but right now no one should care about anything behind 2024. Let’s focus on winning a god damn World Series over the next three years and worry about extending the window later.
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Qualifying Offer Tracker
I’ve never said that he’s damaged, just saying the Sox are the closest to his medicals and passed on extending a QO. They didn’t do this because they are cheap…clearly they were worried about something. Doesn’t mean they weren’t wrong, but it’s too early to say that.
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Justin Verlander re-signs in Houston
Gray seems like a guy who could pop by leaving Coors / joining a new organization, but I agree his stuff has been erratic and I admittedly don’t have a great grasp on his past injuries and how much those have played a role. But he’s definitely the value guy I think has the best chance to provide a Lynn/Rangers type impact in this class.
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2022 Offseason Plan Thread
He is and usually pops in now or then with a rumor that doesn’t pan out.