Chicago White Sox

I think it’s possible if you trade Kimbrel. But then you probably need another reliever or two to fill in the gaps. Regardless, I’d rather go cheap at 2B and pursue a starting pitcher with a bit more upside than Wood.

Shit would be amazing.

What aren’t you sold on for Conforto?

Oh so am I, but $16M/year for Rodriguez isn’t a bad deal in isolation for them. Just a poor fit when the best team in the division crushes LHP.

Isn’t it $16M a year?

If we could get Conforto locked up before December 1st that would be amazing. Even if that’s all we did before a potential lockout, we’d basically have months to plan out our next steps to optimize the roster with Michael in the fold. But we’d starting from a position of strength with the lineup and have tons of different paths we could down.

?…controllable starting pitching means Vaughn is as good as gone. If it’s OAK, then we should be able to get a guy without including Andrew as Bassitt & Manaea both only have one year of control left. Montas is another option with two years of control, so would be a bit more costly. I’m open to trading Vaughn for the right piece, but I’d prefer doing so for a positional guy who fills a different need (Reynolds, Lux, etc.). Trading a talent of his caliber for an arm that could breakdown at any point seems very risky to me.

You didn’t answer my question. Why is it included in a thread about QO’s?

Here you go: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2022-top-50-free-agents/

FWIW, MLBTR predicted 5/$70M ($14M AAV) and FG crowdsourcing picked 4/$72M ($18M AAV). So AAV is right in the middle of both with MLBTR hitting the year total.

Why is Kimbrel’s option being listed here? Are you really that angry at the front office that you need to throw shade at any and all opportunity? Like this is a great idea for a thread, but I guess it’s too much to ask you to keep your emotional subtext out of it.

Are you saying the Sox have met with Boras on Conforto and are exploring multi-year deals with Rodon?

This hypothetical would include a Cesar Hernandez type at 2B (think $4M to $5M), but with Romy as the backup infielder.

A few bullpen arms, but little bench help other than maybe a backup catcher.

The reason people don’t take your opinion seriously is because you ignore the fact that Andrew Vaughn was a consensus top 20 prospect across all majors publications (so not just a Steve Stone take) and act like a 23 year old who basically skipped all of the minors is somehow a finished product. Also, home runs aren’t the end-all-be-all. Vaughn is going to be a high BA, high OBP, plus power hitter. Maybe he only hits around 30 each year, but that will likely come with a fuckton of doubles. He could be our best hitter within the next two years or so if he reaches his offensive potential.

How happy would people be if our big two offseason moves were Conforto and Verlander? That means dumpster diving at 2B, but it might be financially doable without having to find a taker for Keuchel.

Not sure you need a bullpen with lineup and rotation (assuming Cease is there). That being said, I’d take the $6M you were going to give to Leury and sign a reliever or two.

I think you’re missing the context there

Tray has a very disturbing hatred for Vaughn and will use anything in his disposal to rip him accordingly. He much prefers his favorite young Cuban in Eloy Jimenez.

All I want us to do is add impact talent. While I prefer Conforto, I’d lose my shit in a good way if we add Semien.

My argument? I’ve made multiple posts highlighting my position. And I think a ~3.5 win projection for Conforto is fair, but I do think that would be challenging for Vaughn to meet next year as our RF. For example, Jorge Soler had to put a 136 wRC+ to overcome his shit defense and put a 3.6 win season. Maybe Vaughn won’t be quite that bad defensively, but realistically he’s got to be around 125 wRC+ or so to reach that level of production. That seems like a reach for next year and I would expect to closer to 2 wins as our RF.

What is your expectations for Conferto next year exactly?

Who is giving it as much weight? Combining his 2020 and 2021 seasons prior to the trade deadline puts his wRC+ at 105. That’s his last 700 plate appearances. Why do the 2020 at-bats not count at all? That’s over a season worth of at-bats and it’s basically as good as he put up in any year outside of 2017. It also happens to be his most recent years worth of at-bats, so I’m really struggling to understand why they aren’t relevant when saying a player is declining. Look, I’m not trying to make this personal. I enjoy your posts and your general point of view of things, but I fully disagree with your take here. I just don’t see how anyone could say he was in massive decline and a fall-off was imminent.

What numbers? The ones that come with a time machine? And for some reason the the 700 plate appearances prior to the trade don’t count because…reasons. ?