Chicago White Sox

Burnes for Madrigal + Heuer + Stiever + Sheets. Who says no? Probably the Brewers, but that’s a lot of major league ready or near major league ready pieces for a mid-market team that could be open to retooling. It probably depends on how they view Stiever, but he’s the closest thing we have to a major league ready pitching prospect with any sort of ceiling (not including Kopech). I’m sure most clubs view Kelley as the superior prospect, but I’d imagine the Brewers would want pieces that are closer to the majors to even consider moving Burnes. Still very interesting to think about.

Starting pitching and what else are you thinking?

Lol...fully agree. This notion we have so much offense that we can punt the DH position makes me sick to my stomach.

I really think they’re shopping around a Madrigal + Heuer + Stiever package for a cost controlled starter and seeing if they can get anyone to bite.

Holy fuck...and some people want to give up on this kid! I’m super optimistic about Dylan having a huge turnaround next year.

We already have two elite guys in the pen and potentially three with Crochet. Trading assets for Hader would be a poor use of resources IMO.

What other pitchers have signed extensions at a similar point in time? Tell me why Nola is the outlier? Have you done any research on this at all? You keeping trying to act like 5/$75M is this ridiculously low number, but it’s 23% higher than Nola’s extension just two years ago. If it’s really a big outlier, show me all the other extensions that prove this. And no, Yoan Moncada is not a good comp...pitchers are inherently riskier and that’s baked into the potential cost of a deal.

Trading Cease for Burnes eliminates part of the logic which is having six viable starters next year. And I know everyone is down on Cease, but you don’t deal him without giving Katz a chance to work his magic. I don’t think some here realize just how damaging Don Cooper was to most of young pitchers.

@Flash - Your day may finally be coming! Hopefully if a deal comes to fruition the price is much less than you’re anticipating ?

Thanks! Been out of commission all day, but that would be awesome!

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Didn’t see this post yet, but same example I just used.

The Padres literally just traded their over-slot 2020 pick for Blake Snell. The treatment of draft picks is very much different than that of free agents who are actually making a decision to sign with you over other teams.

My thoughts exactly

Trading Cease plus a bunch of other stuff is a mistake. Unless you can pull something off with Madrigal, Heuer, & Stiever, I’d rather go the free agency route or see what a guy like Musgrove costs.

Dodgers & Yankees were the other two teams I was thinking of, but don’t see what starting pitchers they have that would also be expendable.

Good call, but don’t see them having any interest in Heuer. Maybe Seattle? Marco Gonzalez is probably more available than most of the other rumored names.

?...no idea what team he is referring to. Feels like we always trade with Texas, but they don’t have anyone left that fills the bill.

Exactly. Lucas will potentially be leaving money on the table by agreeing to an extension, but he locks in a sizable guarantee to protect himself in the event of injury and would still hit free agency at 31 with a five year deal. I think it’s something he would go for, but obviously there is a trade-off there and if healthy he’s probably not maximizing his earnings.

I’d be ok with moving Heuer, but I struggle with what team would take him back as an important piece of a trade. The Reds potentially?

Good point.

So why do any of these pitchers expect below market extensions if the offers are so bad? ?

If we wants to maximize his earnings, then he won’t sign an extension. If he wants to lock in some guaranteed money because of the risk of injury then he’ll take less than market. That’s how these things work. I’m sure no-one would say Nola’s deal was bad if he ended up getting and missing time.

Lucas Giolito isn’t a free agent.

This is not true.