Jerksticks

What about Dahl, Rodgers, Mundell from the Rockies? Impressive but not quite proven rookie with some past injury issues. Top draft pick in A ball. First base prospect in A ball who just set an MiLB record with 59 doubles. Nice mix of floor and ceiling for Allstar Q.

QUOTE (CyAcosta41 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 08:56 PM) You're not alone -- others have mentioned worrying about Rick overplaying his hand. I don't get the concern. At least I don't get it quite yet. It's 18-January; we've got roughly 75 days until the Sox open up on 3-April. Other than rumor, speculation, and possibly team spread leaks, we've got exactly zero hard evidence of who has offered what. But what we know for a certainty is that Q is currently the top available arm by far -- durable, consistent, professional, and by all of the generally accepted metrics a top 10-20 starter for the past four years in ALL OF BASEBALL. If that wasn't enough, he's under control for four years on an absolutely killer contract that provides near unheard of surplus value. Why the concern that Rick is OVERplaying his hand (when it's only 18-January)? Why not give the 2016/2017 version of Rick Hahn ... the dude who has shown his bona fides this year ... the guy who is clearly having an MVP offseason ... the benefit of the doubt? For the time being, why not assume that Rick Hahn is simply PLAYING his hand (not overplaying it ... playing it intelligently and with skill)? For the moment and arguably through the end of spring training, the Sox have ALL the leverage. Given what has transpired thus far this offseason, why take the risk of leaving "money on the table" by accepting the best deal now when the best deal later can very well be superior. I understand some concerns of a long-term hold and an overall shift in leverage when other top pitchers are available, but it sure looks like through 3-April there is one top dog, and we've got him. At worse, some close variation of deals that are available now will still be available on the last day of spring training (or the first day of spring training, take your pick). But Rick has no idea whether another 30-75 days of waiting will ratchet up the pressure on at least one potential trade partner such that they lap the field. I think he's playing his cards masterfully! Spot on. The overplaying his hand theory should be reconsidered. That assumes Rick is out there shopping Q like he NEEDS to trade him, like he's sitting at the poker table. Rick is not sitting at the poker table. Rick hosts poker night and a seat at his table is expensive. The other GMs are playing cards, not Rick. Nowhere has Rick said "I'm trying to trade Quintana to complete my rebuild." You're all acting like he has- think about that. Rick doesn't have to trade Q. Thankfully he has a big set of balls.

I totally sympathize with the get it done crowd. We all want to rip the bandaid off and start over with all the prospects ASAP. It sucks waiting for Christmas when you're a kid too. Trust in Santa Hahn- he's been marvelous.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 02:29 PM) That's a good question to ask for all those so worried Q won't be worth anything if the Sox don't trade him in the next 24 hours. How much ddi the ultimate package for Sale and/or Eaton deteriorate by the White Sox not trading either of them a year sooner? I am with you, Sale's, I am not guessing much if anything at all, and Eaton's certainly went up. There is a limit on what teams will give up. TOR guys with 4 years or even 3 years of cheap control are hardly ever traded. One reason is because either teams don't have the prospects, or they have to give up so many. Q is in that boat. He will be at just about max price if they wait another year as long as he performs and is healthy. Yep. Agreed. Look at the hauls for Miller & Chapman. And those guys aren't exactly cheap by any means.

Another simple way of looking at the contract. Starting pitching prices are going to keep inflating the next few years. Most teams will be priced out. Q's will stay static. Not every team can buy a championship like the cubs. Just think of how creative our front office has had to be the last 15 years. Always a piece or two short, betting on bargain veterans having bouncebacks, all due to financial restraints. Our biggest contract is still 66M and we play in Chicago. Trust me when I say there will always be plenty of teams willing to back the prospect truck up to get Q, so waiting for that truck is fine. Every team needs a 5-6 WAR LH SP in his prime at $10M, especially teams like us and the Pitates. Value won't be going down at all if we wait into the season. I bet it goes up. Think about all the tight races that will be happening in May/June. Each one of those GMs AND owners knows that any team could snatch up Q at any moment. Value through the roof. "s*** what if they get Quintana they might pull away. What if we got Quintana? Call Hahn offer Bregman, I want to go for this sucker this year!" I'm fine waiting until the pressure of being in races starts hitting some clubs. I predict a Mid-May to Mid-June trade and might prefer that.

Sounds like a deep package you guys are drooling over. What are the odds that package satisfies us fans for the long haul. Who would you bet to be the Allstar that comes closest to mathing Q-level WAR?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 17, 2017 -> 03:32 PM) Deal. For real. You just gotta mail it to Texas. And if you are a hawk-hater, please don't smash it to pieces out of spite

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 17, 2017 -> 04:56 PM) I really hope they had him record, "Stretch! You can get outta bed, YES!" for that thing's alarm. It would be perfect. LOL. Please God. More excited for this than a Q trade by far

Shiiiiit. I'll already give somebody on here $100 bucks to go get me one.

Is Q Buehrle with some velocity?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) The big problem with those low deductible packages available before the ACA was that you don't note any case of a person actually getting ill and needing it, and then discovering the yearly or lifetime caps (now banned) or that what they needed covered simply wasn't included. There's an offset in every bit of this and prior to 2009 insurers were happy to sell you a low deductible plan that you're paying for...but it's basically worthless if you actually have a major illness. Or have a kid. That was the other side and it was probably buried in 1 out of 25 or 1 out of every 50 contractors on those types of plans. For sure. And I think that's a problem that hasn't been fixed. I'm more concerned these days with just low-to-mid-level medical needs. People aren't flocking to the doctor any more in fear they might need x-rays and a few tests. Would you agree that a phrase such as "ahh, I'm probably ok" is used more since ACA and the introduction of $3000 deducts? I would say more people are self-medicating and interent-diagnosing more than ever and I'm not sure that's a good thing.

It's asking the low middle class, independent contractor guy with no subsidies to sock away 6k to cover his deductible and OOPMax that is insane. Forget it if he has a family and his wife gets sick for awhile. Lemme go grab that 15k real quick..meanwhile the average American has less than 6k in savings. God forbid the anesthesiologist for your surgery is out of network. Out of network caps can be 30k if I'm not mistaken. Each carrier decides. I work with 100s of these people. What sucks is that deducts all used to be $500-$1000. Now you gotta pay to play. People aren't going to get things checked out because they are probably going to have to foot the whole bill with these high-ass deducts. Saying Obamacare needs tweaks is an understatement. Not being partisan, just American. Please correct any misinformation on my end.

I hope saladino gets all the playing time at 2B before Moncada. Lawrie does nothing for me, especially now that we are rebuilding.

I can't think of any prospects that have ever been rushed and ruined. Is this guy going to say Beckham? LO freaking L if that's an example.

.300/.400/.600

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 14, 2017 -> 08:23 PM) There is really nothing else to discuss Q rumors cold as ice and I am a bit worried about it. For real. I'm all for just shutting down the site until a Q trade happens. Let's all go spend some time with our neglected girlfriends/wives and maybe go to the kids' games for a change. Get a lil work done too.

poop/cornpoop/aids

If you had to bet all your money, like HAD to...would you have him closer to a .700 or .800 OPS? Love the guy above me- "Na man, closer to .900." Love it!

Interesting but aren't all the points in favor of emulating these countries completely moot based on population, geography and demographics? Norway & Finland have like 5 Million people each and Sweden almost 10. That's it. And the vast majority in each country basically all live in the same climate. And they are almost entirely white. Immigration of late has made a dent but these are arguably the whitest countries on earth. And they are almost all Protestants. So how is the most racially, ethinically, geographically, culturally, religiously diverse nation supposed to please everybody like these homogenous white mini-countries? Not to mention we have like 60x the population of Finland and Norway, 30x that of Sweden, and the people are spread out over thousands of miles of completely different climates & resource areas. Every nation, race & culture has settled more people here over the years than those current populations combined. My point is that it's easy to please everybody when everybody is the same, lives in the same place & there is no racial tension. There are more people in greater Chicago than these countries and much more diverse. Socialist ideas may work for 5 million white protestants in Finland who live in the same area but wtf does that have to do with our giant melting pot and oppressive history. The idea of emulating them just pisses me off when i think about it realistically. It's kind of racist.

Why do so many people, including our current president, always say something to the effect of "Look at Finland, Sweden & Norway- they do this social program correctly! We should emulate that!" I don't get it at all. How is that ever a logical talking point as far as emulation? I'm down for being convinced otherwise- just curious for opinions contrary to mine.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 11:54 PM) I've already said Glasnow has his warts, but saying his stuff isn't good (like Jerksticks did) is ridiculous. I'm not trying to be ridiculous. Just saying I went back and watched his appearances on MLbtv (cuz I love wasting hours of life on old baseball), and it just didn't look like dominating stuff. If you've watched him, what does he do that you really like? Lopez on the other hand...holy crap, he's beyond electric. He's my favorite guy we traded for or a close tie with Moncada. He's nasty. I don't think Glasnow has that exciting stuff you like in a TOR guy- more like a Jon Garland.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) I think his opinion on Glasnow's stuff would put him in the minority. Maybe he watches his starts too. Not just a few K highlights.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 11:19 PM) The same reason Cubs and Indians paid up. Pressure on GMs. Pressure on GMs who may not be around when some prospect hits the bigs in a year or two. Absolutely. And i understand the point that there will be pitchers available next offseason but i don't agree that diminishes his value. I don't think you can cavalierly say "it's just money" when it's $100M+. Just look at the new tax. Just look at the 20 or so teams who can't pay that anyway. We'll be seeing $35-$40M AAVs in the next few years which makes him more valuable. Sox are licking their chops if they have to wait.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 10:20 PM) You also are banking on them still being in the race come July. There's always a chance one of these teams is worse than they appear on paper; happens all the time. At least right now you have 2 teams theoretically bidding against each other. I think waiting is to our advatage. No reason to cave. Like someone else mentioned, the pressure to win now during a competitive window is going to trump any fair value talk. While I'd like the deal to get done now, part of me wants to wait to see which competitive teams blow holes in their rotations by June (injury, underperformance etc). Q will only gain value because of his contract. Teams with shorter windows can always use him to replenish and teams with longer windows can keep him around and probably STILL replenish in 3.5 years. Q is a goldmine for whoever acquires him. Plus I don't really buy into next year's FA class hurting him. Those guys are going to cost $100-$200M plus draft pick. That's not easy for most teams to do. Q will still be prized for the duration of his deal. Now I'm rambling but it wouldn't hurt the Sox to see how some of these targeted prospects progress or regress the first few months next year. Some pros some cons either way, but we're sitting pretty.

QUOTE (Mattchoo @ Jan 8, 2017 -> 09:21 PM) The Sox should NOT trade to Pitt for Glasnow and Newman as headliners. That feels very under value for Q Agreed. Slamdunk allstars on slamdunk contracts deserve slamdunk prospects. This is all Hahn really needs to be saying.