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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 07:52 PM) You really think Martinez and Marinez are better prospects? Silverio is still fairly young (turns 21 in April), has a nice set of physical tools, and is coming off a pretty decent season with the bat. He's obviously a huge long-shot and may not even have a true position (he was beyond terrible at 3B last year), but at least he has some upside if he puts everything together. Moreso than a lot of players in our system. Maybe he shouldn't be in the top 10, but he deserves to be ranked ahead of Martinez and Marinez at least. I wouldn't have Martinez, Marinez, or Silverio in my top ten. I'd probably have Hector Santiago, Dylan Axelrod, and Erik Johnson replacing them, though not necessarily in that order. The Baseball America list is pretty bad.

Via larry at SSS. http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/1/11/2700...onal-free-agent

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) And, to feel better, we should accept the idea this signing now pushed us past the Indians and Marlins. You are getting ahead of yourself here. Let's just be optimistic that the organization might be putting a much needed greater emphasis on amateur talent then they have in the past.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 02:53 PM) At 17, I think it's safe to safe he's a LONG ways away from making a difference. Indeed. But that is perfectly fine. The depth in the system is awful. They need more signings like this. I'm very happy with it.

Awesome! Keep it up Sox.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 01:30 PM) NL claimed Fernando. NL Central team.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) If he has a good first half, he becomes a very likely candidate to replace Peavy in the rotation if the big league squad is out of contention, and pretty much no matter what he does I'd imagine he gets a September callup. That's fine. If he returns to form with the Sox, great. That's what we're hoping for. My point was that Castro's stock dropped for a multitude of issues. Some bad peripherals, questionable mechanics, an inability to repeat his delivery, and overall sub-par results. His prospect ranking and stock dropped accordingly. I'm just not sure why some people take issue with that. No one is calling him a bust, and many acknowledge that the potential is still there. He's just lost some luster.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 12:42 PM) Actually, it probably wouldn't, because he'd rapidly be on the big league squad, and that would mean he's not listed in prospect rankings. I hope not rapidly. I'd rather him get some seasoning with a full year in AAA. No reason to rush a prospect who was awful this previous year in order to play on the lost cause 2012 team. And if he makes it but to a point he isn't included on a prospect list, great. Accolades will be deserved and given.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 12:35 PM) For example, how many teams have two of their last three actual first round picks on their major league roster? Successful or not, Sale was fast-tracked as a reliever. Love him. Beckham was also fast-tracked and is no crowning achievement currently. I'm not sure why people keep championing Gordon as this great product of the farm system. He has completely underwhelmed so far.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 12:33 PM) But one consequence of that could be...if our minor league development people and pitching staff development people can do a solid job...our system could be ranked lowly but wind up overproducing in terms of major league contributors. Absolutely. But if the Sox turn Castro around, that would be reflected in his prospect ranking.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 12:27 PM) Tell that to Theo. Why so bitter?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 12:22 PM) And the Sox don't get credit for those kinds of guys. And they shouldn't get credit. Formerly good prospects who had horrendous years should and do have their stocks drop accordingly.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 11, 2012 -> 12:11 PM) f***ing seriously? Even after all of those trades we're still the worst? I knew it was really bad, but man... They've only added one solid "B" prospect in Nestor, and a bunch of "C" guys. Castro has potential if the Sox can fix him.

jimcallisBA Jim Callis Yes, they do. #Marlins, #Indians just barely better than them. @jonf1220: #WhiteSox have to have the worst farm system right? 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

BenBadler Ben Badler Don't think it will be a huge difference maker there RT @Hopjake think the White Sox will be better now because of the changes in the CBA? 2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 06:57 PM) You have absolutely nothing to worry about. It's okay though. We won't need prospects when our powerhouse rotation that rivals the Braves of the 90's comes to fruition.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 03:55 PM) Yeah the Garza "news" is just a rumor as well, so he believes his source because he broke another rumor? Well, the Oliver story was news so who knows? He might have meant last season's Garza trade. Not sure.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) I was just posting anything I could think of to get this thread focused back on baseball. Looks like I only succeeded for just a few posts... Nice. Maybe this will help? FarrellBall FARRELL BALL My source still says that Floyd to #Jays will happen; going to believe him considering he broke the Garza and Oliver news.. #FarrellBall 12 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply Doubt this trade will happen. And I'm not sure what Garza news he's talking about.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 02:38 PM) BTW, ranked farm systems don't mean much to me if it means having a sustainably competitive MLB team. If you are trading 3-4 prospects for young, stud cost controlled MLB players than I think that is a viable use of the farm system. I understand the failure rate of prospects, and using them to acquire young studs is fine because that is the point of a farm system anyways. Absolutely. Which makes me even more dumbfounded that the farm has gotten to this point. Kenny the trader should want to have as many trading bullets as possible. The more quality prospects he has to flip, the more potential for adding the proven MLB players he so desires to the team.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 02:34 PM) It shouldn't be a race to who can spend the most on bonuses anymore, it'll be about coaching and identifying talent earlier. Agreed. Though I'm not confident in that regard for the White Sox currently. I'd love for them to prove me wrong though.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jan 10, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) Graduating a player every year from the system (which btw happens all over, not just here) may prevent the Sox from being a few slots better than worst, but that doesn't really change much. Indeed. Graduating players happens everywhere. Decent farm systems have depth, and the ability to replenish said graduations. With the White Sox, it's "oh s***, there's nothing left."

Jordan is taking care of things quite nicely here. I'm always amused that people think the only way to have a good farm system is to have 10 losing seasons in a row.

This thread is all over the place. Any remaining roster spots will be filled internally or with cheap scrap heap guys. The 2012 Sox team will not be competitive. Get over it. The only remaining players that are candidates to be traded right now are Floyd and Thornton. Hopefully they move Floyd as he's absolutely worth at least a B prospect. As far as prospect gains for the Sox versus the Cubs, it's pretty similar. (Rizzo is still a prospect with rookie eligibility by the way) You have both Molina and Rizzo who are "B+" guys, then you have some "C" fodder on both sides. The scales will tip towards the Cubs if they get Turner+. Although, who cares really? Trades can be revisited later once guys have panned out or busted.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jan 9, 2012 -> 09:21 PM) So does the Jays' acquisition of Oliver take them out of the market for Floyd? Why? Oliver is a reliever. I wonder if the market heats up further if Garza ends up in Detroit. Though who knows if Kenny is even shopping Gavin?

Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Heard Tigers are open to talking Jacob Turner, but far more reticent when it comes to 3B Nick Castellanos. 6 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply