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QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 01:40 PM) You can't have a sane discussion about ANYTHING. Read the article caufield posted and we'll see the reaction. The good, normal people of Soxtalk will mock me for believing in God; they will not consider any positions in that article about "evil." Like the article stated, the loudest voices in our country don't want to hear anything except their own position. And meanwhile? Like the article stated our country can't come together on ANYTHING except feeling grief in times like this. Whatever happened to having an open mind? Sigh, greg, CLEARLY the guy is a bastard and a jackass. But you're using one example to define everyone who doesn't believe in God. That article insinuates that by not believing in God, our nation is more fractured. But let's take a look at how our nation would be if the most outspoken religious American's were always right. We'd be segregated. Not just black and white, but black, white, Hispanic, Asian, etc. Gays would be persecuted. Not just no marriage for them, but straight up persecuted. Only people to hold any office would be white, Anglo-Saxon, protestant males. Women would have next to no real rights. Need I go on?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 01:33 PM) THANKS CAUFIELD, You know me better than most cause of my rants in the past. This is exactly what I was TRYING to say. Exactly my position. Thanx. p.s. Did you all see this? A death threat was phoned into today's church service in Ct., and they had to clear the church. Our country is a joke; our country is doomed. There was another sicko out there that thought it appropriate to call in a death threat??? http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/newtow...-182416799.html Yup, time to just kill off all the non-believers. We should force our religion on everyone. That always works. But hey, if makes certain Christians feel right to get rid of everyone else, let it be so.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 10:47 AM) Each one of those teachers, who probably made peanuts, but took bullets for those kids are far bigger heroes than anyone who plays a game for a living.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 06:35 AM) The problem isn't medications. 50-60 years ago, we'd still be doing lobotomies frontal lobotomies on "hyper" girls. The problem is that doctors and clinicians still don't have much control over patients, in terms of making assessments whether they are legitimate or credible threats to society. It's still incredibly difficult to get someone involuntarily checked into psychiatric care. For example, we heard that there was one altercation at the school already this week, on Tuesday, involving the shooter. Clearly, the brother knew something was seriously wrong. On the other hand, we want to be a country of freedom/s. We don't want to have panels where doctors can decide who should or should not be taking medication...what the attendant penalties for someone who refuses to take prescribed medication due to difficult and often debilitating side effects should be, these are immensely complicated issues. Clearly, the first line of defense has to be the families and loved ones, but if there's a break in those bonds and relationships, there's no longer enough of a "safety net" to protect communities. There's much less sense of everyone in a neighborhood or community knowing each other than when I was growing up....now, it seems all the kids are staying at home and plugged into their electronic devices and the internet. There are no simplistic solutions here, no quick fixes. If someone shows signs of mental illness, handcuff them and send them to the psych ward.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 03:25 AM) How many were put on drugs by your parents, though? I think we live in a very very twisted world. I hope somehow it can turn around. Like one. You live in a very twisted world of your own creation.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 02:27 AM) How many of your friends have ADD? How many have been drugged their whole lives by your parents? Both generations are at fault here. It's only getting worse. Like...three...have ADD. Try again. It appears worse because we have 24 hour news and we're now an instant society so we jump on any bad story (obviously this aside, this is bad in any era). It's like the whole rainbow party scare from a few years ago. Which was false. But it got in people's heads.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 02:16 AM) Greg sorry to burst your bubble but the majority of violence in the world right now and in the entire history of the world is BECAUSE of religion. It's because people feared that God wouldn't like them if they didn't make others fear God. So they killed them if they didn't fear their God.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 16, 2012 -> 01:40 AM) I'm just saying in general it would help to have a less p.c. society. Our last two mass murderers here are under 25. Would it hurt to have these guys consider there might be a God? Do you at least recognize the way your generation was raised -- the fact you guys were never wrong; the fact you guys always had to be catered to; the fact you guys were raised to be buddies with your parents might have been wrong? What's wrong with a little God in society? And there are always exceptions. You are probably the nicest guy and best person in the world, but I'm saying the principles of being a God-loving person wouldn't hurt some of these nutjobs. They might choose to be atheist, they might not. None of them are given the chance to decide with them being taught that while a minority of people believe in God, we can't pray in school, we can't even recognize that God thing might exist. Blaming the media is an old crutch. Cmon, Morgan. People want to know what happened and part of the story is the scumbag killer. I do agree there's a bit too much coverage of the killer himself. But we have to learn the facts of the case, we have to. Blaming the media is pretty week, Morgan. No, we were definitely raised "softer" but we were wrong at points. Also, we've lived in more "fearful" world than others in recent memory. 9/11 changed a lot and we grew up in the middle of that fear. Kind of like the Cold War, but in this case something actually happened. However, being friends with my parents is something I cherish. Yeah, we all got trophies in little league but that stopped at like, age 10. What's wrong is that we don't really need it. And LOL. A majority believe in God greg. Holy s*** is that an inaccurate statement. Sure, there are more agnostics/atheists/theists now, but a majority are Christian. People can recognize it. They can pray. They just can't make others be included in it because we're moving away from being Christian-centric. People are given choices on what they want to be Greg. They have Church for a reason. And to act like no Christian person has ever tried to carry out something in the name of God...it's a two way street.

Did greg just glaze over my post about how the lack of strict religion on this generation really has nothing to do with this?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 09:05 PM) Having a multipage facebook discussion with a buddy of mine on the Hobbit. He was disappointed, I thoroughly enjoyed it. As a major Tolkienista (yes, there is a word for those of us), I loved it. Radagast had me in stitches.

QUOTE (DrunkBomber @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 05:18 PM) http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/moments-tha...humanity-this-y I saw this posted on another forum and thought it was appropriate after what happened yesterday. Thank you for this.

1. Get rid of guns. 2. Replace with swords and bow and arrows. 3. ??? 4. Profit!

Knighti accidentally joined a quidditch group on facebook and posted a photo of his dog. I fell out of a chair laughing.

QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 04:03 PM) I still doubt that they are left-wing, let alone any-wing. They're off their rocker. This.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 03:22 PM) you would think so, but when the background of the shooter is investigated 9 times out of 10 they are a left wing loon. 10/10 times they just turn out to be bat-s*** insane.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 02:44 PM) Rather than ask for you to be banned, I'll say, gee thanks for the intelligent response. I had a scholarship to Northwestern offered to me. I was accepted to two Ivy League schools. Yes I am really a stupid person. I said I might have not explained my position well enough, but rather than discuss it, you go into bombadeer Greg mode. Nice. Thanks. I don't even remember what I said on the Holmes case. This case, I'm trying to point out that those who believe there is a God believe there is justice not only on earth but in the afterlife. If more people feared that, we might be better off. I can't respond to anybody because nobody said what they didn't like about my post, just that I am a dumbs***. I am not dumb. My test scores were off the charts and I was worthy of Northwestern. Greg, I'm an atheist that grew up in this generation. I'm not going to go do heinous acts. Not because I don't fear God, I'm really not afraid of most things (that can harm me personally, I'm deathly afraid of loved ones being in pain). I don't do it because I'm a human being and I don't to put others through pain and frustration. God isn't my motivation for not doing things, love and understanding is. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 02:48 PM) Bombardier/bombard Just joking with you, Gregster. ALL THE SCHOOL SHOOTING VICTIMS WERE SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES. Just wow. Wow. Just...what the f*** man. What the f***.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 10:09 AM) I never post in the buster but that's truly the dumbest thing Greg has ever said and we all know that's saying an awful lot. What the f*** was that? Seriously.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:10 PM) It's just a very complex issue...I wish guns were never created...I really do. :/ +∞

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) Well s***.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) Ok, legit emotional reaction, someone tell me I have nothing to worry about. I was planning to go see The Hobbit tomorrow afternoon. I can't get out of my head all the cases of people getting caught with guns on their way to movie theaters after the last one. Someone reassure me rationally on this, please? I'm going tomorrow. You'll be fine. Also, apparently Obama was crying during his statement.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:40 PM) that clearly would have been a better response. so i agree with you there. At least we agree there. And if Reddy's intent was to make it left-right, then it's on him too. But back to issue at hand. Is way stricter regulation really a bad thing?

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:35 PM) wrong then the political thread pops up Whatever. Your first post was a disgusting joke. Making it a pissing contest doesn't help. Reddy's was a gut reaction, your's was to instigate. Maybe just telling him it's not the place or time for that would have worked? But no, we had to make it a senseless pissing contest between left and right.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:09 PM) Your f***ing first, completely sickening, disgusting, you should be embarrased, reaction, was to make a joke. QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) wrong. so you want to stop trying to exploit this with your 2nd amendment political rants? QUOTE (mr_genius @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 12:19 PM) Bush's fault Right. You brought the left/right into this. Look, removing guns completely will never happen. However, I'd be all for it being regulated like the car system. Have to go through a lot of in person training, written test, field test, registry, constantly need license updates. Hell, maybe even a mandatory "license plate" engraved on the gun. Do background checks. Do mental stability tests. And right now a lot of people have guns and they can have them and have them concealed. How many of them have saved the day? I'm tired of that argument, because giving everyone guns would just lead to a catastrophe. For f***s sake, handguns are designed to kill people. That's all they are designed for. All they ever have been designed for. And they're hilariously easy to obtain.

I don't have words.

QUOTE (Felix @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 09:45 AM) Three years from now, yes, Kevin Love might be traded (I don't think he will be, but there's a chance). Until then however, it's f***ing stupid to speculate about. I honestly think it happens this offseason if Kahn is still there. It'll be one or the other...and hopefully Love stays. If anything, just so he can make more of these: