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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 02:38 AM) I'm getting kicked off? That sucks. I tried to be a loyal poster. As far as winning percentages? See? Ozzie's was damn good as well. Over 50 percent. Ad Weaver only won one? Oz has one. Tommy has two? Oz figures to get another. He's in his 40s. No one said you're getting kicked off... And Ozzie's WP% is lower than both Lasorda and Weaver. Weaver won the AL pennant 4 times and had many other 90+ win seasons. Ozzie does not figure to get another. No one figures to get another, that's an asinine assumption that just undervalues how hard it is to win a WS. That logic says Robin will win one, so the Sox should hold on to him until he does.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 01:36 AM) The first thing I think of Bobby is 2005. The second thing I think of Bobby was when he retired 41 straight (is that still a record?) (What year was it ? 08?) The third thing I think of Bobby was that damn game in Minnesota. It was '08. I agree with these.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 12:15 AM) Bell is horrible. That is not Ozzie's fault. I don't even know how many WS titles Weaver and Tommy won, but arguably Oz is already better than those two because he led the Chicago White Sox to a WS title. Do you realize Chicago teams DO NOT win WS titles? And guess who led them to one?? Ozzie. Before Ozzie? I don't even know who our manager was in 1917 or whenever we won one. If you think heath Bell is good, then bless you. Heath is a trainwreck and he's not Ozzie's fault. Why? I don't think I'm banned yet. OZZIE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING ARGUABLY BETTER THAN WEAVER AND LASORDA. Weaver won one for the Orioles, their second one in franchise history. He has a .583 win %. Lasorda has two titles, is in the HoF as a manager, and a .526 win %. While .526 isn't too great, he has two titles. And I feel bad for you because you're getting eviscerated and don't even realize it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 27, 2012 -> 12:24 AM) Because you weren't at that game in Minnesota. That was undoubtedly the worst feeling I've ever had as a Sox fan. Nothing compares. The first thing I think of with Bobby Jenks is 2005, and that was a hell of a ride. Shortly thereafter it's the downfall and how Ozzie kept throwing him out there even though he pretty obviously had nothing left. That was the day that Ozzie's tenure was over, Bobby's tenure was over, Dunn's started. That was one of the worst losses I've ever seen. And I wasn't there.

Oy vey

I feel bad for Greg now. Damn.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 20, 2011 -> 09:37 PM) This is like one of those trainwreck versions of CHEATERS that you can't avert your eyes from...as inevitable as the denouement may have been.

Reed needs to end the Jenks-syndrome.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 08:28 PM) Ben Gordon and Pistons protected 2013 draft pick to Charlotte for Corey Maggette. I miss BG

And I've never seen Jason do anything like that.

Holy frijoles. Also, I prefer Beckham in the 2 spot and Youk in the 8 to give Dayan protection and break up the free swinging Cubans.

I'm still in shock over that.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 02:08 PM) Greg...I don't make personal attacks, but you are the stupidest person in the history of the internet. I can't even fathom this and its posts like this that really prove the fact that you are either (a) that stupid or (b) the biggest troll in the history of Soxtalk.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 01:08 PM) I actually think Jackson makes more sense as a reserve. I really think we need a right-handed bat off the bench and he can play all the corners in a pinch. In fact, he would have been a perfect fill-in for Dunn last night. I don't like Flowers being our only option from the right side. I don't see a need for both Escobar & ODog. I'm not a huge Escobar fan, but he offers more flexibility defensively (SS & OF) and offensively (switch hitter). I think ODog's days here are numbered, especially if Youkilis looks healthy these next few weeks. ODog is a switch hitter too, just saying.

Dunn finishes the year with 70 home runs, a .400 OBP and a batting average of .170

QUOTE (Lillian @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) I knew that I would get torched for this thread, but then I remember tauting de Aza before, and more than anyone on this board. How did that work out? I said that I love Viciedo, but Johnson is probably a better hitter at this point in their careers. Viciedo has 4 doubles and 13 homers in the first half, and his OBP is just .300. That is easy production to replace. He's only 23, and has plenty of time to develop. Have any of you even looked at Johnson's split stats this year? Here are some points for starters. Versus RHP he has 50 walks and only 30 SO. His OBP is .467. His OPS is .1,122 He's hit for more power on the road than at home, so the argument that he's playing in a "band box" doesn't hold water. I know that he struggled the last couple years in the Majors, but he was recovering from a broken wrist. Right now he is performing at a level far to high to ignore. As far as Connor Jackson is concerned; Yes, I do think that he can still rejuvenate his career. Valley Fever is a devastating illness, and completely explains how his production dropped so dramatically. Remember, he was very highly tauted, and put up very good numbers in his first 3 MLB seasons, at a young age. And he is not too old to regain his former hitting prowess. But then you wanted De Aza platooning with Lilli. And Viciedo is a vastly superior hitter to Dan Johnson at this point in their careers.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 03:04 PM) I would disagree in your assertion that he is a "selfish prick." As far as the WS, I look at ozzie's whole body of work. Name one other Sox manager who comes close to rivaling what Ozzie did with the Sox? Chuck Tanner? 1) People forget his overall body of work (uh, his RECORD) is pretty impressive with the White Sox, a team with an abysmal past. 2) Then Sox fans everywhere should be thrilled the way it worked out. 3) That is 100 percent true. This quit on the team stuff is all TOTAL BS. If the Sox wanted ozzie he'd be in Chicago. Case closed. Who cares about the last-week semantics of his leaving and "quitting" on the team. If that makes you all feel better to hate on Ozzie for that, go for it. Like Dick Allen said, the Sox didn't want him. Case closed. 4) If you think I am a troll, you are crazy. I'm as good a White Sox fan as anybody on here. Longevity, memories of past teams, and everything else. 5) Ozzie will be a manager until the day he decides he does not want to be a manager. At some point will he be silenced and be another plastic mummy in the dugout and with the press? Perhaps. But he'll be a manager somewhere the next 25 years. 1) A .524 record is not good with rosters that should have been in the playoffs every year besides 2007. It's laughable that you of all people say whole body of work (which is OK at best) because you focus on the best year of Ozzie's career as the linchpin for his entire body of work. 2) So we should be happy our team decided to not let a man under contract blatantly disregard his contract with his boss without some type of return. 3) But...it's not. He did quit. He negotiated with another team. That's basically the definition of quitting. 4) I don't think you're a troll, but I'm pretty sure you're a bigger Ozzie Guillen fan than a White Sox fan. 5) Or until he's fired in a year or two because he's currently doing a piss-poor job managing the Marlins and alienated half their fan base. He's running out of teams where he can get hired based off of his playing days. The only team that will hire him that isn't the White Sox/Marlins will be looking for a sideshow to distract their fans from a s***ty team.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 26, 2012 -> 09:13 AM) Lillian seems to have an affinity for scrubs. First Dallas McPherson and now Dan Johnson? No thank you. I was trying to figure out which good starter Lillian would want benched now that De Aza is awesome and the Elf is gone.

They were probably doing that stupid "Yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouk" thing while booing.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 11:43 PM) wasn't Zach Stewart what we had to show for Daniel Hudson? Sort of like Nestor Molina is what we have to show for Sergio Santos. The joy of Kenny Stanford. Yeah, f*** everyone else in the organization. God knows Kenny only had input for acquiring Hudson and Molina. ONLY them.

Where is our Liriano?

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 12:43 PM) The Mighty Quin will have his biggest test on Friday in the Bronx, and I think it's on MLBN for us out-of-towners. Cautiously optimistic. I'm not in NY on Friday...

That game against the Twins was awesome. f*** Danny Valencia.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 06:30 AM) Pablo Ozuna is possibly the greatest bench player in the history of bench players for this very same reason. Ozuna is a pimp. Let's not drag him into this.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 25, 2012 -> 02:18 AM) Why not? The qualifications were white, speedy, and defensively gifted OFers. Bad offensively is just a coincidence. It was a strike out joke.