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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 6, 2012 -> 09:09 AM) You can make strong arguments for Peavy, Rios and AJ. But AJ and Rios are flat out ridiculous snubs.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 10:56 PM) That's all you talk about when it comes to going to games. But for real, I'd give the Marlins something like Floyd + A level prospect for Buerhle. Throw in Humber if you want. The Danks brothers if they want to throw in stuff and pay some oh Mark's obscenely backloaded contract.

Ozzie Guillen and there is no other.

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 06:26 PM) I'd guess that 2006 team was awfully close. That team scored 520 runs in the first half. Yeah... Combine that offense with the pitching of 2005 team and you have a GOAT team. It's a shame the pitching fell off like it did.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) Actual good prospects were given up in those trades though. 1) And none of them became anything, aside from Olivo, Young, and B-Mac. And none of them were great. 2) We ran away with both Freddy trades. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 05:59 PM) I don't think we exactly "won" the Javy trade. Javy for 3 years (inconsistent at best) It will look a BIT better if Flowers does something, and Lillibridge was part of the Youk trade, but it certainly wasn't a steal by any means. And it led directly to the BA in CF disaster in 2006. Chris Young = terrible. He was an all-star because the D-Backs needed one. And Javy was good for us for a year, then turned into Lilli-Flower, which became Youk and our current backup.

QUOTE (Dave Weaver @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 02:12 PM) Anyone left off that should have been included? Anyone included you do not think belongs? Let's get the discussion started! The Sox All-Time Team Two caveats, as I know people are going to jump on them: Luis Aparicio was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1984, not 1894. Working on getting that typo corrected. Joe Jackson played center field prior to coming to the Sox, and played 25 games there his first year, although Hap Felsch did play center during most of Jackson's tenure. Looking forward to your comments. Dave Buehrle as the 5th starter over Cicotte. Only other qualm is Appling-Collins over Aparicio-Fox, but that can easily go either way.

The one who struck out 15 of the other guys team.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 04:21 PM) The serpent and the blood of his penis! Feathered Serpent fears no mortal man.

Also, it's amazing. We have three All-Stars and still have two (major) snubs. Who saw that coming?

f*** me. I voted 200 times. Any pitchers scheduled to go that won't be on the roster? Is Sabathia gonna pitch?

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 03:28 PM) Put that man up on the BANNER .......................... Hell no. Before we put up Black-Eye PK, he was near .400 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 05:24 PM) Like the Bartolo Colon trade? And the Javy trade, and the Contreras trade, and the Freddy trade, and the Danks trade, and the Quentin trade...

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 5, 2012 -> 02:08 AM) How does that explain the success of Ventura? Ozzie speaks to the media, to the public....Ventura choose his words carefully and speak in a way that commands respect from the players and coaches. He's not loud or controversial or charismatic in the way you wish him to be, but it has worked. Let's look at another example of in the Ozzie School, Bobby Valentine. Has his "act" worked in Boston? Not at all. This whole idea of "speaking forcefully" is why our country has become so polarized. There's no reasonable people left. Greg, how many times this season has Robin Ventura thrown anyone under the bus? Greg, how many times has Ozzie thrown his own Marlins' players under the bus this season? Let's see, we have Logan Morrison, Bell, Zambrano, Gaby Sanchez, Bonifacio....the team makes a HUGE comeback in that game two days ago, Bell blows yet another save when that's expressly what he's paid to do, the guy's clearly not in 100% good shape or condition (similar to Jenks his last 2-3 seasons) and it's the whole team's fault, but NOT Bell's? Even Bell has to think that is asinine as the closer. Think its a coincidence that Ventura has been nothing but supportive of every player on the team, most especially Dunn, DeAza, Viciedo, Beckham and even the likes of Morel and Ohman? You don't get it. Ozzie's act is new and fresh. He keeps the clubhouse loose and fire off his players so they can go out and perform 100%. If they don't, it's because they're too serious and not listening to Ozzie. After all, he has a ring, so who are they gonna listen to? Him or some no name like Jack McKeon? OZZIE IS GREAT!

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 11:20 PM) Hahaha. Great job Gordon, pretty awesome. http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_..._video_22841869

Guys, Marlins won today in extras. I think it's because of the loose clubhouse that Hanley keeps.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 10:44 PM) You guys are all gluttons for punishment. I've had a bad day.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 10:32 PM) It doesn't matter what he did or didn't do. He has one ring and that's more than any other manager in Chicago since 1920 or so. But he wasn't responsible, so doesn't matter. Only the players matter. Carl Everett > Ozzie Guillen. Everett has more rings as a player in Chicago.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) As are the players and GM and everybody on the "team." I'll never understand the Ozzie hate on here. Makes no sense. Nope. Ozzie did nothing those years. Or any other years.

YOUK! ADA! BECKHAM! VICIEDO! AJ! ALEXEI! BULLPEN!

YOUK! ADA! HAMILTON!

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 09:26 PM) De Aza is awesome.

De Aza is awesome.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 09:22 PM) It seems like De Aza almost injures himself once a week. But to his credit, he soldiers through.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 4, 2012 -> 09:21 PM) Basically, lakers/heat in the finals. Whatever. Even if rose is healthy from day one, come up with a scenario that doesn't involve 1989 Michael Jordan rejoining the franchise in which the bulls could beat either? Injuries to LeBron and Nash.