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I am leaning toward a 1 year option at RF, see what you have internally, and spend big money on it in 2020 where more attractive options are available. Heck, even the pending free agents in 2020, Conforto, Marte, Buxton look like good trade options.

How do you not have Tim Anderson or Moncada as internal options for RF?

How much did his agent paid to leak this “rumor”?

I had been floating the Moose idea for a while and wouldn’t mind that at all. I also had Leury penciled as the OD CF till Robert is ready. He probably will be unless we go out and sign two OFs. What I’m hoping for is Engel, Palka, and Cordell names aren’t in the OD lineup.

If they come out flat next season.

According to one poster (PoppySox?) 160 was the floor. So you got plenty room to work with.

Who’s holding the fort down at 2B if and when Yolmer is nontendered? There is an outside chance they could give him a short term deal or just roll with Mendick until Madrigal is ready. One name I haven’t seen mentioned a lot but wouldn’t put it past the Sox to bring in is Kipnis. Lefty bat for the bottom third of the LU and also could play CF in a pinch (didn’t look great there however). He may be an interesting one year deal guy to look at so we don’t have to rush Madrigal and Robert.

You’re right, I couldn’t math. $65M should be the most accurate starting salary.

If I'm spending $100M+ on a pitcher, I am spending it on the best one available. We could target for veteran stability in the 2nd SP signing.

Because there isn’t anyone else who is better than Wheeler and Grandal who is realistically available other than Cole. One of Renson and Stras will resign, if not both, I don’t consider Bum a better signing than a wheeler and Grandal is a better fit than JDM, I don’t mind either for the record. Anyone who is disappointed by the signing of those two needs to readjust their expectations.

Which is why I said signing Grandal isn't necessarily disappointing vs. signing a big name like JDM. I think Grandal is a better fit all things considered.

I think you'd also have to factor in the pre-arb cost, which is probably around $8M for 10-11 players Committed Salary $15.3M (3 players) + Arb cost $25M (5 players) + Abreu ~$15M + pre-arb cost $8M (10-11 players) That gets us around $68M for 19-20 players, and leaves us ~60M for 6-7 players in FA. BTW pre-arb guys I have as likely 2020 players: Moncada, Gio, Lopez, Kopech, Cease, Collins, Mendick, Fry, Bummer.

I don't know your rationale of picking Grandal over JDM in your post. JDM is mostly like opting out and Sox is in the short list of favorites to sign him, and he does fit within our price range. If he doesn't sign here, I think it more of an issue of fit than dollars. If you revised your OP with JDM over Grandal, you could still call it a realistic offseason.

It really isn't a disappointing offseason by any means. Like I said in the other thread, Nats will likely retain one of Rendon/Stras, if not both. That leaves Cole and JDM as the biggest names to change teams. Wheeler and Grandal are in the top 5-8 range FA rankings go. I would actually argue that's a strong off season.

Taking a closer look at Nats payroll, they're at $115M including arb costs and likely team options if Stras opts out. Their only other major needs are 1B, part time C, and a couple of high end BP arms. If they re-up with Rendon and Stras for $70M AAV, that still gives them room to work with to address the remaining needs. So I just don't think Stras is leaving even if he opts out. And if Nats aren't willing to match a 5/$160M contract he gets elsewhere, that may also be telling of how they see his body able to hold up for the duration for the contract.

He pitched 130 inning last year and reached only 200 IP once before this year. As for this year, when it's all said and done, he's probably putting in 250 IP this year alone. History suggests he's liability to stay healthy, and the added toll on his arm from the extended workload this year is a red flag. That said, I do agree 5/$160M would be the max anyone should be giving him. I don't him know who's going to be desperate enough to go beyond that, and that contract would be disaster waiting to happen.

If he opts out, he's most likely looking for a 4/5 year deal with close to $30M AAV. Even though it's a shorter deal, would you take him over Cole with all his injury history? That would be a big NO for me.

I don't see Sox parting with Leury, and Osich has a future as a LOOGY. We'd be spending a lot more in the open market.

Yep, misread on bbref. Point still stands though.

We paid Nova $9M to pitch 200 innings last season. If Rodon could pitch even 80 innings next season he needs to be back, especially with 2 more years of cost control left after 2020.

Assuming Yolmer and Goins are only nontender candidates, we’re at $54M after all the pre-arb and arb costs. With Abreu deal we’re closing in at the $70M mark. We do not have as much payroll flexibility as some may have been hoping for.

That number is fair for a decent closer. We don’t have in house replacement to trade or non tender Colome.

You and I see eye to eye on this one. Cole and Gardner are my preferred stop gaps.

More than what he has learned at Astros it’s about how he needs to pitch going forward and how he game plans for an opponent. For Christ’s sake Sox are just experimenting with using TrackMan data in Kanny middle of this year, something that was available to SEC schools since 2015 and used by Astros to game plan for their opponents. http://sportsmockery.com/2019/08/white-sox-scouting-department-finally-catching-up-to-sec-baseball/

Those are the changes in a nutshell but there are more that goes behind it and game plan and development plan changes from game to game and opponent to opponent, those are driven by analytics with the Astros. And it would be crazy to think switching pitching staff and the aforementioned resources has no impact to his success. Anyways, we're debating a moot point, I don't see JR opening the checkbook for that kind of money for a pitcher.