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I'm not flipping anything, you're not reading all of what I'm saying, and I've said it several times. At conception, the zygote has a full set of chromosomes and is therefore a life form as opposed to sperm and eggs which are not life forms. In the 8-10 week range, the zygote has become a fetus with a full set of human characteristics and is therefore a human life form. If this is what you are saying, then yes I agree with you.

How is becoming a human being a moral issue? A human being is a biological creature with a well-defined physical development. Other than physical development, what makes somebody a human being?

The mother can drink and hurt them because our society has said they can, just like society used to say we can own slaves and hurt/kill them at our discretion. I'm not stating that it is fully human at conception. I'm stating that it's human in the 8-10 week range.

This is the thing I hate most about the abortion issue is that the two political sides have the exact opposite positions you would expect them to have. The liberals have their heads in the sand and ignore the scientific evidence about the beginning of human life, and the conservatives are standing up for the members of society who are the most vulnerable and have the fewest rights. Yet on most other issues, the conservatives have their heads in the sand when it comes to science and the liberals are standing up for people whose rights are getting trampled.

So should the government keep their nose out of all of the killing of human beings, or just some of them? You see, that "keep the government out of it" argument is inconsistent with the recognition that they are human beings. You can go the route of soxbadger and ignore science and try to say they aren't human beings and then at least you are consistent, but then we tried for a lot of years to say that blacks weren't human beings either. If you admit that they are human beings, then that trumps any argument about the rights of women or keeping the government out of people's sex lives and any of that other stuff, except when continuing the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.

I suppose so, though you realize that most women are about 8 weeks pregnant before they even know it, especially the ones who aren't trying to get pregnant, right?

No, I recognize that. That point is in the 8-10 week range.

A zygote is definitely a form of life at conception, but has almost no human characteristics aside from DNA. In the 8-10 week range, the fetus has developed full human characteristics.

Lots of people shouted and screamed about laws restricting late-term abortions. 34 Senators voted against it. There isn't "a particular point in pregnancy" when a fetus undergoes some sudden change that transforms it from a blob of tissue into a human baby. That's why delineating any particular date is silly from a scientific standpoint. Medically, there is no significant difference in development that makes an abortion at 12 weeks any different than one at 39 weeks.

A zygote isn't a fetus. A zygote is a stage of development before fetus. A fetus does have organs, bones, skin, a heart, brain, etc. The difference between abortion and amputation is that abortion permanently terminates a beating human heart and functioning human brain while an amputation does not.

I thought Hillary announced a long time ago that she was only serving one term?

So if a woman is two days from her due date and she says, "Oh, f*** it, I don't really want this kid", it's nobody's business to tell her she can't have a doctor crush its skull, right?

Birth certificates and social security numbers are issued by governments, which you are very quick to point out on many occasions are wrong on scientific issues. I protect a fetus and not sperm because a fetus is a human being with a full set of chromosomes and a sperm is not. Perhaps you need to go back to 9th grade biology to understand the difference. You can say "fetuses aren't humans because I said so" as much as you'd like, just like people can say "the earth is only 6000 years old because the Bible said so" as much as they like. Both are equally true.

Probably, but they don't usually do that on the very first day of the season. It's usually on a Tuesday or something like that.

If the fetuses are human fetuses then they are humans.

I haven't seen any evidence that people make choices about sex based on whether or not abortion is legal, and even if so, worry-free sex is a terrible reason to legalize the killing of human beings.

US Draw for final round of CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying: Feb 6 @ Hounduras Mar 22 vs Costa Rica Mar 26 @ Mexico Jun 7 @ Jamaica Jun 11 vs Panama Jun 18 vs Honduras Sep 6 @ Costa Rica Sep 10 vs Mexico Oct 11 vs Jamaica Oct 15 @ Panama No sites determined yet for US home games.

Interesting to note that after the Presidential race, the most money spent by Democratic/liberal PACs was on an Indiana Senate candidate who is very pro-life. I wonder if all those donors knew how much of their money was going to a pro-life guy?

California has 1 electoral vote for every 680,000 people and North Dakota has one electoral vote for every 220,000 people, so it's 3-1 and not 700-1 in Presidential elections. Also, while the people of California may not have been able to forsee such a massive population back then, they did choose to enter the union as one giant state instead of 2-3 smaller states, whereas the Dakota territory decided to become two states. Nobody forced those decisions on those people.

Abortion isn't about what happens in your bedroom.

I can finally stop worrying about who the Sox were going to get to replace KWJR.

It doesn't matter to me now since I don't live enough to get season tix, but if I did live close enough that's what I'd want.

Right, but is there a reason?

Do the Club Level and Premium Box seats get filled with full season plans, or is there some other reason those seats are not available on 27 game plans?

I have a question: Florida is still listed as too close to call and I believe they have a provision that automatically triggers a recount if the vote is within 1%. Since it doesn't really matter who wins Florida, is there any way to save the taxpayers money and not have the recount?