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QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 08:29 PM) You posted in here before even enteering chat. I've lost some respect for you. Uh, do you want to raped?

Two hits through five innings against Tejada sounds like just another day for our offense. If you can't touch him, despite numerous mistakes in the strikezone, how is it possible to defeat more difficult pitchers within the division?

I doubt Guillen believes what he's saying right here. Ask any manager about crowds potentially booing Sosa and they'll say the same crap about him "being good for the game." Am I right to believe if he had said, "boo that steroid user" many would have jumped on him? I'd rather have the politically correct Guillen than the over-the-top, Ozzie Montana Guillen. Atleast concerning this issue at this time.

How exactly does an international student purchase weapons? He must have known the right people with the right connections. I'm not sure how long this will be up, but a blog displaying the myspace pages of several victims has been created. Myspace Pages

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 17, 2007 -> 12:13 AM) I never said a crime has to fit any model. My only point is that the admin/police cannot be blamed for not shutting down the campus when they had no way of anticipating such a sequel. So I'm not really certain what this argument is about. I was wondering the same thing about your post. I agree -- based upon the information we have, not much could have been done.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 11:57 PM) Okay, it's conceivable. And in 24, it's conceivable that a terrorist organization would set up a minor distraction to lure law enforcement away from the upcoming nuclear blast. But it's not predictable, and that's key. It's not a normal pattern. Almost any noticeable event could be a distraction -- should a campus be shut down for any surprising event? Since when does crime have to be predictable? Not every crime fits a model, or suspect a profile. And to address your other question, no -- a campus should not be shut down for any surprising event. In the circumstance here of a double murder -- perhaps a murder/suicide -- the police can only assume what's available to them. If all available evidence suggested it was as an "isolated incident," there would have been no reason to shut down the entire campus.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 11:37 PM) This makes no sense to me. If something looks like domestic violence, you don't expect the shooter to go on a carefully thought-out killing spree in a classroom building. There's just no connection. (Assuming, of course, that this is the same guy.) It's hardly unreasonable for the killer to shoot both victims, perhaps plant a gun, and hope that all the attention drawn to the incident wouldn't extend beyond those in the room. Then, several hours afterwards, have an opportunity to continue shooting others with the perception of additional time afforded to him. I'm just speculating here, really. From my perspective, as criminology major, I've read several cases where an individual attempts odd diversion tactics to buy extra time. One noteable example is Derrick Klebold and Eric Harris setting off a timed, home made explosive to draw the attention of Littleton fire and police officials. Hell, the bomb threats reported earlier in the week may have been the shooter examining the response time of campus police.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 11:26 PM) A note would have done serious damage, I believe. Sure not everyone checks their emails, but I think the vast majority of students do when they wake up, before they had to class. Maybe i'm wrong. Furthermore, I think word of mouth, on a college campus, has the power to reach many of these people who otherwise wouldn't get the message. UIUC is big, but it's not unreachable. A vast majority of the students live between the 6 pack and springfield and 1st and wright in that huge block. Word could travel pretty fast with the help of email or other notification systems. Nothing would have worked perfectly, but I think it could have helped in certain instances. It's hard to think about a possible fact that some of the people who died were attending their first class of the day after this first shooting occured. If I were a parent, I'd sure be looking for answers. Hell if I was a student that survived in this situation, I'd be wondering why I was sitting in a class room at that point. This will likely change the way colleges handle situations, and things may be overblown here or there, but I don't see a huge downside to taking proper (if not extremes, if that's how you want to look at it) caution. You're basing your entire premise off of the original shooting, and the assumption campus and local police were aware a potential murderer was on the loose. Again, if the initial investigation gave the impression that maybe one of the victims shot another and then shot themself, there's nothing anyone could have done. Just imagine for a second if the first shooting incident never happened. That there was no prior warning of anything. If someone is shooting students on the other side of campus -- a large one, at that -- a note or email won't do anything. This is just the reality of the situation. In real time, which most shootings are, it's difficult to warn anyone without a campus wide system.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 11:00 PM) Should have sent a note canceling classes "due to an incident, details to be released later, remain indoors." But its still not all that easy to contact 30000+ people. Plenty of people don't check their emails or are away from their computers, especially during those times of day. Many students and professors would have carried on their day as usual and headed to class. And the population is still spread out pretty far, at least here. Campus itself is several square miles, and the size of area where most students live is pretty big. You're probably talking a 5 mile radius from the center of campus. That's a huge area. Virginia Tech's main campus in Blacksburgh is several thousand acres. There are over thirty buildings. A note nor an email could have altered all students. As we discussed earlier, outside of a siren system or intercoms installed in every building on campasses you just can't prevent an act such as today. One reason I'm holding off criticism of the university and its campus police is we're not entirely sure about details surrounding the original dorm shooting. Officials may have felt everything was secure because maybe the shooter planted a weapon on one of the two victims. There was apparently a man and women killed; this was originally labeled a "domestic" situation.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 05:01 PM) Does anybody have a subscription to Baseball Prospectus? If so, there's news on Dewon Day in Kevin Goldstein's Monday Ten-Pack that I'd like to see. CWS, if you happen to receive that bit of information would you mind PM'ing it to me?

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 05:09 PM) I understand that everyone is going to be extremely concerned with this happening, but this type of thing is so rare that you shouldn't change the way you act/feel about your security or be wary of keeping your doors unlocked/holding the door for someone. I'm not trying to sound like a jagoff, but I'll be going to bed tonight with the door unlocked as always. And I'll walk to class tomorrow and right into the building without hesitation. You can't let something like this change the way you live your life. Oh, I agree. Even though I understand there are millions of college students currently attending classes, and such a minute percentage die from shootings, it just completely rattles you. You begin to wonder what if it occurred at your college. What would I do? When I was in 8th grade and Columbine occured I was very apprehensive over attending high school the following year. Even though my parents told me what I said the previous paragraph, you still can't be wonder "what if." Who among your classmates could be planning an attack?

These are exactly the type of incidents which may you wonder whether terrorists are watching. In the upcoming weeks and months we'll witness school after school overreacting to little events. People will be uptight at schools all across the nation. It doesn't take a high body count such as 9/11 to frighten this country. It's acts of violence such as these which anyone with a gun can do. You don't need to plan four years in advance or require training at a flight school. That's what scares the s*** out of me. If it's not a school, it can be a park -- or a grocery store.

QUOTE(bmags @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 04:11 PM) This is the best idea I've heard yet. The easiest thing to fix would be communication, to keep further students from entering the danger at the very least. Have a way to alert all RAs and security, and like you said with an intercom The harsh reality is, you can't expect an advanced system. Atleast on large campuses such as UIUC. There's the dark side here of cost effectiveness. I compare it to the airline industry. There are inherent flaws and complications with most airplanes which could be replaced, but why do that if not many planes are crashing? You know how many people died aboard a commercial flight in America last year? Zero. Every airline industry figures its cheaper to pay out cash settlements to survivors and their families than repair their fleets. This is obviously different from a school, but they may not have the money available. And since so few die in schools as the result of shootings every year, it may not be the top priority. When a college is looking at their upcoming budget, and the choices are between a security system costing millions to address an issue which rarely happens, or repairing certain amenities within the campus, the former probably isn't going to win. It'll really depend upon external pressure from students, faculty, alumni, the city, etc.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 04:06 PM) You know those "rape" kiosks where people can alert the authorities if there is something threatening as they walk home late at night. Why cant they install something like that across the campus and intercoms in the class rooms like a giant fire alarm. I'm sure the issue (if it were ever talked about before) is the cost of installing a campus wide alert system. After this shooting, maybe campuses will rethink that. At my college, those rape beckons you talk about have been available for atleast twenty years. Then, and even further back, no one envisioned something such as this happening.

This is really unbelievable. I'm sure many Americans will remember where they were when they heard this. It's strange that several days ago I was watching a special on the Discovery Channel devoted to the Columbine attacks. While viewing an automated clock display the time at which events occured, I thought the same thing as Bmags -- most large campuses are disperse and populated by thousands of students. How could something such as that be prevented? There really is not much you can do to prevent future shootings. Sure, an email was sent; but not all commuters have access. Neither do the students attending a class. The best solution I can think of off hand is installing an intercom near the entrances of every building on campus. That way, if something such as this morning occurs atleast a lockdown can be instituted across campus.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 16, 2007 -> 12:28 AM) Wow -- the Bulls are in an amazingly great situation right now. The Knicks -- depending on tiebreakers -- are currently the 6th-8th worst team in the league right now with two games left. It's looking like the Bulls are going to get a top ten pick with a (reasonably) decent shot at winning the lottery. Other than maybe the Wallace contract, this franchise looks to be in a GREAT position to regain dominance in the East (obviously not to the extend of the 90s, but I think you get my point). I'm extremely happy about our draft position. Just four days ago, before the Knicks losing streak, they held the 10th worst record in the league. Now, the Knicks have quadrupled our probability of winning the lottery. I wish the Bulls could eclipse Seattle, but with one game remaining against Dallas (and uncertaintly of a tiebreaker), as well as expecting the Knicks to lose two straight, I doubt everything comes together even more than it already has.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Apr 15, 2007 -> 03:47 PM) Perhaps we really should have traded him this past offseason. We would've gotten great value for him. I can't speak for Williams, but I'm sure they would have traded Crede if Fields were ready to immediately contribute. His strikeout numbers are still troubling, and there's questions of him sustaining a decent average. Also, remember how their were questions relating to his back. Crede puts together another good season without back issues I'm hoping some team is willing to overpay in a trade. Even if it's his last year before FA.

Aside from Thom Brennaman, who I personally enjoy, you can't go wrong with those names. Even the most hardcore Hawk supporters have to recognize fans from other teams just can't stand the guy.

McCarthy has already given up 2 bombs in the first inning against Seattle.

QUOTE(mmmmmbeeer @ Apr 15, 2007 -> 03:06 PM) As I mentioned in the game thread, they scored 11 runs in games out there; only scoring 1 in one of those affairs, a game they should have won. That's dramatically better than they've performed in the cold weather. ORLY? If you base your belief upon runs scored, the Sox fared a little better. However, when you break down the averages, you'll see hardly anything changed. Oakland average game-time starting temperature over three days: 59 degrees Cleveland average game-time starting temperature over three days: 44 degrees Team average in Oakland: .221. Team average in Cleveland: .220. In other words, no difference.

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Apr 15, 2007 -> 02:51 PM) I love how people continue to say "The hitting will come around." f***ing great. We will give away 3 weeks of the season because we dont like the cold, then when we lose the division by 2 games, what do we say? Weather is just a convenient excuse to mask problems with the offense. How was the weather it in Oakland? Or the second half of last season? I can't wait until the temperature increases. Either we'll magically improve because of it, or the excuse will be exposed and we can quit masking the truth.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Apr 15, 2007 -> 02:48 PM) Was Eduardo Perez signed by anybody? If not, we should sign him up, trade Mack for a right-handed hitting OF who can play center, and send Anderson down so he's not rotting on the bench. Do trades, even those of backup players, usually occur this early in a season? I don't recall that. We had an opportunity to sure up the lineup against left handed pitchers -- it was Spring Training. Most people, aside from the baseball retarded, figured when Hall went down our troubles against lefthanders wouldn't improve.

QUOTE(fathom @ Apr 15, 2007 -> 02:46 PM) Something needs to be done to make us tougher vs LHP. I believe this makes the White Sox 0-4 overall vs. lefthanded starters. One small way of addressing this issue may be sending down Anderson and bringing up Terrero. Atleast have some other option Guillen is confident in who can spell Erstad, or otherwise pinch hit for another lefthander in a particular situation. Another is hoping Hall returns. Because Pierzynski has been bad. Real bad.

Sabathia once again dominates the lineup. OH, BUT THE COLD WEATHER1!!!!! 30 degrees or 70 degress, our problems against left handed pitchers will continue throughout the season. I can't say enough about the pitching though. Especially the relief corps. I have to say Contreras' outing was encouraging, but he won't always get by with walking five batters.