Flash Tizzle

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 22, 2006 -> 04:03 PM) You envy a rival team for trying to build something we already have? They're not meant to be equal. I envy Dodgers farm system, doesn't mean I would trade the excitement and gratification of a world series for it. I only envy the singular event of the Indians having the luxury of trading Crisp for a quality bullpen arm and a Top 5 prospect. Cleveland managed to significantly improve the future of their club without forsaking too much of their offense.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jan 22, 2006 -> 02:29 PM) yes, because thats what i am known to do. You have to admit you slurped Marte as "the closest thing to a can't miss prospect." If I had the search feature available I could find your exact quotes. I would think you'd be up in arms about this trade. You can reserve your feelings until any proposed trade is finalized, but I know personally I'll be upset if such as trade is allowed.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jan 22, 2006 -> 01:49 PM) How many rings have those players gotten their team? Hell. How many ALCS' have those players gotten their team? Exactly. The AJ Nathan/Liriano deal was a great one for Twins. Ryan fleeced them. But that's one deal. Entire premise of my original post was to suggest I would LOVE for Williams to deal from a position of strength and absolutely fleece the other team. Indians traded a commodity they could live without for a prospect they could afford to develop. Just as I wouldn't mind if Williams acquired a top pitching prospect for Contreras. One, similar to McCarthy, whom could provide relief if any starter should become injured. You may be thinking, "It's unlikely we'll receive a top prospect, since he's in the last year of his contract," but I don't buy it. All I want is our AJ for Liriano/Nathan. Our Sizemore/lee for Colon. Our Einar Diaz for Travis Hafner. It honestly annoys me how we're never in the position to receive excess talent for a player. That's ultimately why I envy Cleveland's position. Just as, yes, they probably envy our World Series rings.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 22, 2006 -> 01:01 PM) I like we're you're headed with this arguement, Flash, and you're making very valid points. IMHO, the types of moves the Tribe are able to make at this juncture are not the types of moves Williams and company have the liberty to make in 2006. I believe he's gone on record as saying he's looking to compete for another Championship in 2006--hence the Thome and Vazquez moves. After 2006, I expect to see a year or two of re-tooling with the Sox. You'll be seeing guys like Contreras and Crede out of the picture, hoping to land a similar package in return. That said, I'm just as comfortable holding on to Contreras throughout 2006, allowing him to pitch his ass off in a walk year to help our defense of the title. If were weren't primed for another pennant chase in 2006, I'd be calling for the same moves. EDIT: Remember: the White Sox were a very lucky/healthy team in 2005. We're just one blown arm away from needing that sixth starter in 2006. I'm quite happy winning back-to-back Championships and sitting through a year or two of re-tooling. Thome and Vazquez validate your points about Williams' 'win now' approach. I never expected him to trade Contreras for anything less than a top prospect, or another bullpen arm capable of immediately contributing. With our luck in avoiding injuries, and the WBC just beyond the horizon, Williams' decision may prove to be correct. It's trades such as that of Cocoa Crisp-- a "rebuilding on the fly" concept, which Atlanta and Oakland have worked to perfection. Trading players with high value from a position of strength to reinforce a weakness is smart business. If we were to trade Contreras for a collection of pitching prospects, our rotation could conceivably allow the proper development of the players. Even with the threat of injuries, I'd take the risk if the pitching equivalent of Marte were to exchange teams. But since the Dodgers have exited the picture, and the talks with Houston nonexistent, dealing Contreras isn't a concern of mine. If our team enters Spring Training as it is right now I can't honestly complain. KW has done his job.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 22, 2006 -> 12:47 PM) Think they envy those rings we won last year? I knew this comparison was coming the minute I typed my post. Now I'll humor you: yes, they envy our rings. Point is, I wouldn't mind Williams creating trade scenarios which don't necessarily help us immediately, but rather, have the potential of reeping high rewards several years down the line. For example: I wouldn't mind if trading Contreras netted our minor leagues several quality pitching prospects. We're not exactly overloaded in that department.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Jan 22, 2006 -> 12:33 PM) I love when division rivals trade good major league players for prospects. Yeah, thank God all Minnesota received for an All-star catcher being forced from his position is some injured pitcher named Liriano and a decent bullpen pitcher named Nathan. Or how about that crappy package Indians received for Bartolo Colon?

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ Jan 22, 2006 -> 12:20 PM) For the time being: The Red Sox are better from this trade, and the Tribe is not. For the future: Only time will tell. Of course. Marte will begin next season in AAA, and likely will remain there unless Boone falters, injures himself, or the Indians' record necessitates his callup. I envy the Indians here because this is an example of a trade I wish Williams would orchestrate. Trade from an easily replaceable position on a team full of offensive potential for a stellar prospect and a good bullpen arm? Doesn't sound very risk. Even if Marte never reaches his perceived ceiling, he'll still guarantee you average production from a third-baseman. Not to mention he'll be dirt cheap; which is important when that Indians offense begins earning their paychecks.

QUOTE(CrimsonWeltall @ Jan 21, 2006 -> 05:57 PM) I think Steve would have been 'badder' if he EVER f***ING DID ANYTHING. COME ON COME ON LETS SHOOT SOMEONE COME ON BOMBS SUCK COME ON LETS JUST SHOOT EM WITH A GUN I LIKE GUNS COME ON f*** THAT COME ON WERE GONNA KILL EM I CAN DRIVE A CAR You just solidified his position as the biggest badass in cinematic history.

It's only appropriate to honor this mammal by processing it's blubber into a delicious meal. Hell, we can ship it to Katrina victims and feed several dozen families.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 21, 2006 -> 02:49 PM) That was Paulus. Damn you people are quick. Not enough time to edit my post.

Nice ball handling abilities Reddick. HAHAHAHA.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jan 21, 2006 -> 02:43 PM) JJ pisses me off so much sometimes. I don't care for him either way, but why the hell did he attempt a fadeaway three pointer?

For the last, what seems, 5 Georgetown possessions they've had three players running down the court once Duke missed a shot. Duke is falling apart.

QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 21, 2006 -> 11:52 AM) He did say that game 3 will be when the Sox "present the fans the World Series Trophy." No idea what that means exactly. He meant game three of the first home series. It's a great idea to hold the ceremony after opening day, which is a guaranteed sell-out. Either Game 2 or Game 3 would have been ideal, since they're both mid-week afternoon games averaging 12,000.

Honestly, I can't even admit I'm shocked. It doesn't surprise me hate mongering sites such as these exist. Interesting how the bottom of one particular page sites a copyright marker of a group called "Christian Party and Fathers' Manifesto." It's organizations such as these which lend people to criticize Christianity. We know it's a small faction responsible for these views, but that's all it takes to begin grouping all followers of a religion together. I also browsed the official site, which I found off Google, and wasn't surprised to find the usual rhetoric. You know-- blacks are evil, the Holocaust was a hoax, etc.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 05:47 PM) Is it just me, or does anyone else here think Uribe will be surprisingly good if he's focusing on hitting the ball to the right side and getting extra fastballs because of Pods? As always, he just will need to take a few pitches too. I agree. If he's dedicated to focusing on a certain approach, I wouldn't exactly dismiss the notion. In the playoffs he became an entirely different hitter. More relaxed, more patient. Not as if Uribe is playing for a contract, as Iguchi certaintly is. I wonder if Iguchi himself or his agent have requested a move into a position which allows an opportunity for better power numbers. If the decision doesn't work in spring training or the beginning of the season, simply switch Iguchi and Uribe. If Iguchi is producing at his spot in the order and Uribe continues to struggle, then you may have a problem.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 02:44 PM) Saw Munich last night. What a great movie. Hans was the baddest character of them all, followed by Carl. Anyone else agree? I thought Steve (Daniel Craig) was the baddest character. Nothing occurying within the film seemed to phase him or shift his resolve. Just ask the Swedish girl.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 12:55 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2299677 If the Davis' apologize, he'll drop the suit. This is interesting. Will Davis take a hit in his "street credibility" to apologize to some frail, balding white boy? For a million dollars he sure as hell should.

QUOTE(Steve Bartman's my idol @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 01:35 PM) I agree. I can't believe they ever called Piersall the Score's baseball "expert". Only Murph did. Now who will he complain about the Cubs with?

Great, now Contreras can represent his country!

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jan 20, 2006 -> 07:40 AM) ESPN had 2 fans that were nearby the incident saying a completely different story. The fan was getting pissed off because she would get up and cheer everytime the Knicks would score or something. He said something to her w/ an expletive, and that's when she started getting in his face. Suggesting someone to sit the f*** down-- or whatever variation was used, doesn't give her probable cause to act like a crazed woman. If that's her defense, that million dollars will be his by the end of the trial. Factor in numerous eyewitness accounts of her literally touching the man's face and body. Only contact he initiated was pushing her hand away from his face.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 11:11 PM) its hard to say what that video shows since its a small section so the context can be manipulated but it certainly sounds like a different story than we all heard early this morning. Whether his wife started it or not, it really doesn't make Davis' actions any better or worse because how the hell was he going to know. In fact, maybe, just maybe, he went into the stands to stop her from hitting the fan. Just a thought It certaintly disproves any notion he was intoxicated--as AD indicated. The fan didn't appear drunk on the video. Honestly, I'm just looking forward to latest opinions from the NBA analysts who were incredibly quick to defend Antonio Davis. They were unwilling to even suggest his wife may have been the one responsible for starting the altercation. It was, "David Stern is being a bully and suspending Davis for defending his wife." What, did everyone forget his wife is a crazy b****?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 19, 2006 -> 11:48 PM) Here's the question...what will be more successful...Hamas's plan to improve its image in the West using PR firms, or the U.S.'s attempts to improve its image in the muslim world the same way? Without question, Hamas. Although neither will be very successful. My reasoning is their organization isn't attempting to spin their image for the American public, but rather the European Union and the Unites States government. I trust our government won't find Hamas legitimate regardless of their commercials. European Union, however, is a different matter. Hamas' habit of supporting the logistical operations of suicide bombers reponsible for killing Israeli's probably doesn't phase many countries withint the EU. For the American government to reform it's image within the Middle East, they'd have to undue years upon years of heavily embedded, anti-American sentiment. It's difficult to combat popular news networks such as Al-Jazera, countless finactical newspapers, or even the influence of families and friends. It's not as if a new generation of Muslim children are growing up in a world where our government is friendly with various Middle Eastern nations. Our relationship with Israel certaintly doesn't help matters. Those who live through the Iraq War will only harbor their hatred and continue a cycle of distrust towards the US.

I suppose all reports detailing her obnoxious, courtside attitude were correct.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jan 17, 2006 -> 08:51 PM) Dave the insane nut, gets to Hollywood just to annoy Simon. I'm watching the next program just to see how he interracts with the other contestants.