Flash Tizzle

I noticed this on WSI's homepage browsing earlier. "Happy birthday, son."

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 01:09 AM) Nice to see that the Sox (Brooks) tried to get Rooney to stay. What can you do? For one, pay him the f***ing money.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) but Stone does work for the score. So they might not have to pay him that much to do color on the games. I think Stoney will be in the booth for the Sox next year. Stone is normally in the station one day a week. Other two he calls from a phone and gives interviews. These interviews rarely go beyond 20 minutes. If he's broadcasting games for the Sox, we'll need total commitment. I just can't believe Stone would step down from TV to radio full time.

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 11:11 AM) Rooney wanted more money, and I don't blame him. The Score didn't want to pay him more than they offered. Breakdown and game over. That's the problem--Score f***ed up here. Pay Mike North more than a million a year yet break negotiations with a true broadcasting talent? If they felt retaining Rooney wasn't necessary, then I hope they find quality talent on the market willing to work for us. Time to steal someone from a small market. I sure as hell doubt Stone would step down from his position on ESPN to broadcast White Sox games. And neither do I believe anyone one the score is fitting for the position. I won't be very pleased unless Score management can find a somewhat (nearly impossible to find an equal replacement) comparable talent.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) Me and I assume many others figured that after this happened, it would become a racial thing, and so it has. There's not reason for it to bed. It is absolutely pathetic. I wish I can understand the reasoning of any person who insists relief efforts were dragging due to 'George Bush not caring about black people.' As if he held reserve in sending National Guard Troops because those left behind weren't white and middle class. Kanye West's words, which probably hold more value to New Orleans residents than George Bush's, could only heighten tensions among policemen/relief workers/other citizens. Idiot should continue writing about his car crash and less about critizing our president for apparently ignoring blacks. When in modern history has there been a natural disaster of this magnitude on American soil? Without the flooding it would have been desvastating--with the addition it far exceeds the damage of Hurricane Andrew. Obviously, FEMA, New Orleans itself, and other relief agencies were not prepared for the devastation Katrina would leave. Mistakes have surely been made and need to be appropriately addressed in the event of a similiar large scale disaster. Kanye's comments are no different than any neoconservative suggesting every natural disaster in the Middle East or Indonesia is the work of God. It's the type of ignorance which embarrasses you just listening to it.

Well, you had to believe Douglass couldn't possibly get away with throwing another 30 hanging sliders as he did last outting. Again, pure crap he is. I'm glad we're hitting these weak pitchers--as it should be.

I don't want to call out certain posters(), but it appears the pitcher some annointed the "real deal" is infact the soft tossing pile of crap I witnesed in his last start against us. What made him different from other pitchers who've dominated our pathetic offense is our hitters beat themselves. They watched hanging slider after hanging slider cross the strike zone while flailing at offspeed pitches in the dirt. Most telling was his changeup differential from his fastball was no more than 8 miles per hour. He was throwing pure junk, and it looks like the numbers prove it. Douglass is in danger of losing his starters position on a team going nowhere. Tigers organization considers him their 5th starter for a reason. Last six starts, Douglass surrendered less than 4 earned runs ONCE. That one club was Seattle--others were contending clubs. Time to beat this scrub.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 05:36 PM) No one wanted to take this on? My response to this topic on the Mariotti thread: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...pic=39395&st=50

QUOTE(Allsox @ Sep 1, 2005 -> 02:41 PM) I agree about the negativity....I'll give an example: If the White Sox win the World Series in 7 games (Please Lord, make that true!), some fans would b**** they would have won it in 4 if not for Ozzie's bad managing or something along those lines....After hearing the gripes and moans from fellow Sox fans over the last 10 yrs about JR being cheap, blue seats make the park look bad, JR being cheap, the upper deck is too high, JR being cheap, I can't believe I only got upper deck playoff tix for my Ozzie plan, I firmly believe some Sox fans will NEVER be happy I often here this, or some variation to this statement, and it's pure crap. Atleast come up with a better example than moaning after a World Series championship. I don't know why anyone would fail to understand a Sox fans reluctance in this team after the way they've been hitting the last two months. Personally, I couldn't care how many poor decisions Guillen makes in the World Series. If we win, it erases everything. I don't know why it wouldn't. It just seems we're never happy because we've haven't won a postseason series in nearly 90 years. Win one, and I'll stop complaining.

Whining about the nature of this market needs to end. What Williams did last offseason should not blind any of you to the problems which exist. I don't know how to put it any clearer than this: the position we're at with this team--our record and position in the standings, was not a justification for merely acquiring Blum. And neither is indicating the lack of moves other American League teams made is a positive for us. Sox fans shouldn't be kindergarden teachers responsible for handing out stickers to young children (this instance Williams) who TWWIIIEEED, but couldn't succeed. He failed to upgrade the offense, and now because of it, it's ALL coming on him for anything less than a pitching collapse (which he couldn't have predicted) or a ALCS birth. Ask yourselves if future success is guaranteed with this club? With the resurgence of the Indians/Tigers, can anyone even guess whether or not we'll be in a position of a commanding lead for another 5 years? We can promote 6 contributing prospects with McCarthy leading the rotation and still find ourselves contending for 3rd place. 2005 could be our year--our window to take advantage of a stellar pitching staff and ride it through October. Now, I anticipate someone asking "you can't predict whether or not this team is guaranteed to win if a bat is acquired either!!!" Yes, but at this point, with our 4 automatic outs per evening, what we have doesn't convince me change (even at the slightest) wasn't absolutely necessary. I've read complaints relating to the prospects we may have had to give up. McCarthy, at this juncture, was the only untouchable. For an organization unable to produce pitching talent we need to hold onto those whch succeed. The remaining prospects can all be shipped for Raul Ibanez himself for all I care. Is Chris Young guaranteed to mimmick the outstanding production he's put together? Are Sweeney, Anderson, Owens and Young going to substitute for each other in the remaining OF position (RF)? If Young/Sweeney/Gonzalez were traded for f***ing Raul Ibanez I'd still consider it a justifiable move because the goal of baseball is to win championships. Neither of the aforementioned players have done anything to put our club in the position to strengthen itself this season. I understand the need to develop minor leaguers in order to keep a stream of cheap talent flowing. However, we're in need of help. Since no one can provide a Jeff Francouer boast we'll need help outside the organization. Even if top prospects were traded for Ibanez, and all made out to be quality major leaguers, it was worthwhile. Just think back to 2000--would any of you have overpaid for pitching if it meant trading our supposed talent? Probably not. We'd be having the same discussion. SS2k5 asked me in another thread whether or not I'd be willing to give up several starting pitchers/outfielders for slight upgrades. No, because I doubt those were the true asking prices near the deadline. I don't recall San Diego or Boston giving up an arm and a leg for Randa or Graffanino. Or Braves/New York handing over the farm for Hollandsworth/Lawton. Ultimately, our pitiful offense was in dire need of an upgrade. This was known prior to the passing of both trading deadlines. While Reds management blocked the KGJ prior to July 31, it was Williams duty to offer whatever possible to acquire Griffey. If Reds were unwilling to budge, it would have been within his best interests to move on. I intend to believe the Southtown article posted yesterday which claims money, not talent, was the true negotiating factor between the two clubs. Reinsdorf probably wouldn't budge on a set standard of contract he'd take on. No one can convince me of all the teams in this league, there was not ONE bat which could be acquired to help this club. Defend Williams now and hope this offense can win games, because if we're choking down the stretch or embarrassing ourselves in the playoffs you'll all have to repeat your Williams defense several hundred times to justify it.

QUOTE(Chifananthony @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:56 PM) Im predicting NO DEAL, and we lose the division by one game, and become the biggest embarrassment in this city's baseball history. FIFTEEN GAMES UP AND LOSE THE DIVISION. THIS REALLY SUCKS. If we lose this lead the team deserves to be the laughing joke of major league baseball. I believe the far more realistic scenario will be a sweep in the 1st round of the playoffs. This team needs to begin picking up the intensity immediately entering Septermber. You can't expect any club, especially one with an offense as embarrassing as ours, to limp into the playoffs and magically turn up the intensity.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:26 PM) I will ask again, and no one really seems to answer. What did the Yanks do to bolster there team? Boston? Oakland? Angles? Minny? Clevland? Hawk Harrelson, Kenny Williams, and many White Sox fans on this board used a similiar line of reasoning to explain the lack of moves Williams made two offseasons ago. The saying was, "We didn't do anything significant--but either did Minnesota." Unfortunately, it didn't turn out so well in the end for us. If you insist on using your line of reasoning, the fact no other contending team made a significant move should have been more of a reason for us to initiate one. If we were the best before, it only served to benefit our club to put more space between ourselves and the American League.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) You really don't know that. If he doesn't know that, than no one can be sure those "ridiculous" trade scenarios suggested for Huff/Baez were true. I'm sure they were lowered. I honestly believe Williams held faith in this club maintaing our lead and felt our offense was good enough to manage with the pitching carrying the team. It was probably more a question of no "difference makers" being on the market (aside from Griffey) than clubs asking too much. He may have spent all his time working out a deal for Griffey, and when the Reds declined to trade him too many days had elapsed.

QUOTE(Chifananthony @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:09 PM) With all the hoopla about this special season, it all comes down to this. If KW does not bring us a quality bat by the deadline the organization has failed us. This Griffey thing smaks of the sox not wanting to take enough of his salary to consumate a deal. Where there's a will there's a way. I could care less about prospects. When u have a chance to go to the series u do whatever it takes to get those players. Even if u overpay its understood. IF WE DO NOT GET HELP WE WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, AND THIS WOULD BE A BIGGER CHOKE JOB THAN THE '69 FLUB CHOKE. KENNY DONT LET US DOWN!!!!!! Welcome aboard. Let me warn you immediately--you're not going to make friends easily with this post. Williams will (I'm positive) hold blame for any scenario regarding this team which doesn't involve, at the least, an ALCS appearance. Best record in baseball at midseason, Williams failed to upgrade our offense. Excuses ranged from "Two to Tango" Philosophy (overzelous sellers asking too much) to "Lack of Moves" philosophy (no one else did anything!). Both are wrong and shouldn't apply to a team which, if the correct move was made, put itself in a tremendous opportunity to build on it's success and upgrade a suspect offense. Point which irritates regarding Williams is he's been more than willing to hand out prospects for midseason trades in the past when our team was 7 games out of first. But when we're 15 games up on the second place team and almost guaranteed a playoff roster he does absolutely s***. Give up prospects if necessary; offer to pay the remainder of a salary--future success isn't guaranteed with any team. This may be our window to contend for a World Series. Tigers and Indians can no longer be expected to lay down for us every year. Williams should concern himself with winning now--because we may not be in a position like we are now for another 5 years. He certaintly won't be around to see if his team collapses or falls flat in the first round.

Who wants to bet promoting Casanova was a personal decision of Guillens? He probably feels Casanova's veteran presence will be beneficial for our clubhouse.

It all depends on the type of car, price of the car, and commitment of the person to pay a certain percentage of costs. Prior to my 16th birthday I saved over $2,000 dollars working with my parents and doing yard work for elderly neighbors. Because my grades were good and I was willing to pay for insurance with nearly all the money I earned from a part-time job my parents promised to chip in $4,000 dollars for a 1987 Monte Carlo SS. My brother, a mechanic, already inspected it and found it in good condition despite 90,000 miles. Unfortunately, two days after I received my license I crashed my dad's car into that of a friend from school. Immediately my parents took the opportunity to squash the idea of purchasing the Monte Carlo. While I was pissed then, I understand now giving a new driver the keys to either a muscle car, or even a car in general, creates a certain level of greed. I worked for my percentage of the payments, but still my parents offered to pay for nearly all of it. Teenagers should understand early in their life the personal commitment needed to own an item such as a car. Let me be clear that inheriting a car doesn't apply to my belief. It's when parents offer to pay a large portion of a car's costs that I object to. If MTV"s Sweet Sixteen show (Unfortuantely, I'm drawn in to it) has taught my anything, it's the spoiled rich produce arrogant children who expect everything at their disposal. No sixteen year old should receive a new car,much less an Audi 500 or Landrover.

Anyone willing to chat, it's open.

This is bordering on pathetic. I'm embarrassed what may happen to this team in September, forget October. We've had enough problems recently with the offense and now the pitching (outside of McCarthy) the last week has been dreadful. This club can't afford for the pitching to slump--ever.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 12:22 PM) Hawk laying into the media once again. For what? I'm stuck at school unable to listen to the game. And unless I missed a certain article, there hasn't been much collapse talk as I invisioned this series. Don't know what he could be complaining about.

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 10:10 AM) I don't get what you mean..I went to Espn radio, copy and pasted. A website called White Sox Interactive usually posts predictions of 'Tomorrow's Tribune Headline' and quotes from people below their pictures. Not something which is left to WSI alone, but since you were a new member, I thought you may have been banned from there. Even if you were, as many here were, Soxtalk accepts refugees.

You can tell which website Jimbo browsed before registering here. Far as the relationship between Hendry and Williams, I can't believe any ill feeling between fans would influence the decision on whether or not to approve a trade. Doesn't mean they don't dislike each other. Hendry will do his best to take advantage of our pathetic offense and try to squeeze as much talent out of Williams as possible. Every general manager talking with KW at this juncture is probably doing the same. I wouldn't expect anything more than 1 decent infield prospect (which isn't saying much in our organization) or 2 fringe prospects if this trade were to occur. As has been pointed out in this trade, Walker could still return to the Cubs next season. No need to overpay. You overpay for Griffey, if possible, not Walker.

IMO, that changeup is comparable to Pedro Martinez's with its sinking motion. If this Volquez can locate his fastball in the future he'll be a decent starter for Texas. Fastball doesn't have any movement, but if he touches 96 consistently there's no need for that.

Second batter into the game and he's already established a decent changeup. This pleases me.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Aug 30, 2005 -> 06:09 PM) Brandon McCarthy will get his first major league win tonight and the Sox are going to rip off a nice winning streak. You heard it here first Although Pods has started this game with a double, I forsee several dominating innings from Volquez. Need to scratch across a run here. He throws easy heat--and we've yet to see any offspeed breaking pitch.

Do I hear Thunderstruck over the speakers? LOL. They're having their fun alright.