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You obviously haven't watched much of him the last two seasons. he has been ripping the organization a new one on a regular basis.

Garfien has a very interesting reason why JR met with the Nashville mayor. I didn't realize it involved Dave Stewart and (of course) Tony LaRussa. Recommend watching this:

Not arguing the point just clarifying that it wasn't the senior. And the son eventually got into serious trouble with the league and was forced to sell the franchise. I don't remember exactly what he was accused of.

Bill Gleason was convinced of the bolded part right from the start. And speaking of the start some of these comments may be on interest: “Our goal is to have a team that is a contender every year.”– Jerry Reinsdorf to the Chicago Sun - Times’ Ray Sons. September 18, 1983. “For all his interest in what happened between the first- and third-base lines, or between the sidelines and the end lines, he never wavered in his commitment to the bottom line.”–From the book ‘The Jordan Rules’ by Sam Smith. Pg. 49. Published 1991. “I’ve literally made hundreds of millions of dollars of deals in my life on handshakes. My word means everything to me and I have never, ever given a guy a second chance to get even with me.”–Jerry Reinsdorf to Melissa Issacson. From the book ‘Transition Game’ by Melissa Issacson. Pg.79. Published 1994. "I always loved sports, and I made enough money from the sale of the company that I didn't need to do something I didn't like. The teams are a significant part of my net worth, but I'm in sports because I love being in sports. I didn't get into sports to make money. I think I've been lucky that during the time I've been involved in sports, the value of sports franchises has gone up.” – Jerry Reinsdorf to the Chicago Sun - Times’ Terry Savage. July 30, 2000. “Eddie and I never discussed how to talk to reporters. We’ve just been ourselves. I always though Jack Kennedy was the kind of person I looked up to in that regard. He always gave the media a fair shake and understood you guys have a job to do. Without responsible people willing to divulge some accurate information, it’s hard to do it right. It was a much better approach then Nixon, who figured the media, was his enemy. Doing it Kennedy’s way just makes a lot more sense to me. After all, nobody can buy the kind of advertising Chicago teams get. What other line of work finds newspapers assigning people to follow you around and write about how the business is doing every day? At Balcor, we have to hire a public relations firm to get our names in the paper. When baseball teams get that for free, it makes sense to cooperate.” – Jerry Reinsdorf to Bob Logan. From the book ‘Miracle On 35th Street.’ Pg. 154. Published 1983. “The idea that I must talk to the media in order to know what is going on with our fans or the public is ludicrous. I communicate with fans on an almost daily basis and often hear comments from people on the street and in the ballpark. We have committed a lot of resources to market research each year, whether it is telephone or internet polling, mall intercepts, focus groups or in-park surveys. We believe these surveys are the most impartial way to hear from our fans. I don't think a media interview gives me the same type of insight into what our fans think and feel. Believe me, our fans tell us. They care and they are passionate. I like that about sports. The fact is that I do speak publicly when there is an issue of importance to our fans and to the franchises. I owe that to our fans. But again, I don't really think people want to hear from me or go to the game to see me. I hope not.” – Jerry Reinsdorf quoted on the “official” White Sox web site, www.whitesox.com, August 16, 2004. 'If people stopped coming to the games. If the television money went away. That’s why I don’t like to sign long term contracts with pitchers. It’s one thing to pay a pitcher five million dollars a year, but what if the guy can’t play?”–Jerry Reinsdorf, March 1994, to Bob Greene. From the book ‘Rebound, The Odyssey of Michael Jordan’ by Bob Greene. Pg. 65. Published 1995. "I’m a dove, until they strike." ––Jerry Reinsdorf, August 1994. Comment printed in the Chicago newspapers after he spoke with the media from his owner’s box at Comiskey Park. “It’s obvious we’re disappointed with the way our ballclub has played this year, with our record...no question about it. We were faced with losing Alvarez and Roberto (Hernandez) and getting nothing, as we did with Alex (Fernandez). Now we’ve added a half dozen talented young players. Two or three have a chance of being stars, according to our scouts. . . . If they're half right, we're in great shape." – Jerry Reinsdorf to the Chicago Tribune. August 1, 1997. Jerry Reinsdorf was a “source of intrigue” and in the future could become a “source of controversy.” –From a story by reporter Linda Kay, Chicago Tribune January 30, 1981.

His son actually ran the franchise after his dad bought it after the Sox sale was voided.

December 11, 1980 - Edward DeBartolo was voted down by other American League owners in his attempt to buy the White Sox from Bill Veeck. DeBartolo, the man who invented the modern shopping mall in Boardman, Ohio may have had connections with organized crime. He also owned horse racing tracks, the Pittsburgh Penguins of the NHL and wasn’t from the Chicago area. All were ‘red flags’ for the other owners. In an effort to appease then Commissioner Bowie Kuhn, DeBartolo agreed to move to Chicago at least 20 per cent of the time to have a direct idea of what was going on with the franchise. His compromises fell on deaf ears as he only received three affirmative votes. Originally back in October at the first vote on his attempt to buy the club, he fell two votes short of approval. The way was then opened for the group headed by Jerry Reinsdorf and Eddie Einhorn to get the franchise.

Post of the month. Very well done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Given the Yankees "success" over the decades and recently, I mean they've had a winning record in what 10 of the last 11 years for example, and seem to make the postseason on a regular basis, I'd say the rule isn't hurting them very much. Money speaks a lot louder than facial hair rules. And the Yankees spend it.

Or he could do what Joe Robbie did in Miami or Peter Magowan did in San Francisco...pay for it himself.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/shohei-ohtani-rumors-dodgers-ask-joe-kelly-to-give-up-jersey-no-17-amid-free-agency-pursuit-per-report/ "One general manager told Nightengale the Dodgers would have no reason to make such an ask of Kelly unless they "truly believed" Ohtani was signing with them."

That's because of his arrogance and ego.

Remember that the next time an owner claims "hardship" or 'financial issues" LOL

Eventually our time will come. It has to because of the laws of the universe and nature related to humanity.

It has been shown in numerous studies and detailed accounts from economists, that this doesn't happen in reality. People are getting wise to this.

December 7, 1984 - Another small move but it was important. The Sox sent Vance Law to Montreal for relief pitcher “Bullet” Bob James. James would come of age in 1985 with 32 saves, eight wins and a 2.13 ERA. He’d remain with the team through 1987 but was never the same after a knee injury in Baltimore in July 1985. December 7, 2005 - Frank Thomas, probably the best hitter in team history became a free agent after the Sox declined to pick up his 10-million-dollar option. Sox G.M. Kenny Williams had no choice in the matter...Thomas was coming off back-to-back injury plagued seasons. At his age and weight and with the addition of slugger Jim Thome and the resigning of first baseman Paul Konerko, there was no longer a place for him in the lineup. Thomas would eventually sign an incentive laden deal with the A’s in late January and continue his Hall of Fame career. December 7, 2020 – He was credited by some, including Sox G.M. Roland Hemond, as being the man who saved the franchise. Dick Allen, the 1972 American League M.V.P. died at the age of 78. Allen was acquired in a trade with the Dodgers by Hemond and manager Chuck Tanner, from the Dodgers at the 1971 winter meetings. His impact was immediate as he played the 1972 season at a near Triple Crown pace leading the league in home runs and RBI’s and finishing third in batting average. He was named the M.V.P. that November. In three years with the Sox Allen led the league in home runs twice and was named to the All-Star team three seasons. His exciting play kept fans attending games at Comiskey Park and helped keep the team financially solvent. Twice Allen has missed induction into the Hall of Fame by one vote. In one of his last interviews he said if ever he was elected, he wanted to go in wearing a White Sox hat on his plaque.

https://soxmachine.com/2023/12/jerry-reinsdorf-meets-with-nashville-mayor-who-doesnt-seem-likely-to-help-him/

Not happening. https://soxmachine.com/2023/12/jerry-reinsdorf-meets-with-nashville-mayor-who-doesnt-seem-likely-to-help-him/

Exactly correct.

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-2023-winter-meetings-summary

You are correct with the capital gains tax hit and that doesn't even count the Illinois state tax hit.

https://soxmachine.com/2023/12/white-sox-select-shane-drohan-in-rule-5-draft/

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/12/6/23990963/white-sox-chairman-jerry-reinsdorf-meets-with-nashville-mayor "Most people in the baseball industry don’t see major league baseball approving a move by the Sox to Nashville, which wants an expansion team." "Mayor O’Connell has stood against private funding for a hypothetical major league baseball stadium."

But for many years in his stadium deal, I don't know if this still the case, the state of Illinois actually PAID the Sox if the attendance fell below a certain level. Why the state would agree to this is beyond comprehension and it basically pays ownership not to try to win. So why would you leave an area with this type of deal, you think you'd get that in Nashville?

December 6, 1959 - In an effort to try to repeat as American League champs Bill Veeck and Hank Greenberg decided to make a series of moves to bring in hitters at the expense of some of the top young players in the Sox system. Veeck originally tried to get young stars like future Sox coach Orlando Cepeda from the Giants and Bill White from the Cardinals but was turned down. So, he went in the only direction he felt he could. The first deal brought the Sox back outfielder “Minnie” Minoso at the cost of future All-Star, power hitting first baseman Norm Cash and future All-Star, power hitting catcher John “Honey” Romano. Cleveland also got John “Bubba” Phillips. Sox manager Al Lopez was quoted after the controversial deal as saying, “Some of us, like me, are not worried about next year because we might not be around then.” Cash and Romano alone would combine for 506 home runs and six All-Star appearances in their careers. Minoso though would have an excellent season in 1960, hitting .311 with 20 home runs and 105 RBI’s to go along with 17 stolen bases and make the All-Star team. December 6, 1984 – It was one of the most brilliant and gutsiest deals even completed by G.M. Roland Hemond. It was a deal that paid dividends immediately and 20 years down the line. Hemond sent former Cy Young Award winner LaMarr Hoyt to the Padres in a package deal that netted the Sox a 20-year-old shortstop named Ozzie Guillen. The Sox also got valuable utility player Luis Salazar and two pitchers, Tim Lollar and Bill Long. Guillen immediately went on to fill a gaping hole in the infield and was named Rookie of the Year. He’d win a Gold Glove and become a three-time All-Star before coming back as manager in 2004. He’d then win the World Series in 2005 and make the playoffs again in 2008. Hoyt would be out of baseball by 1987 after battling weight and drug addiction issues. December 6, 2016 – It was one of the biggest winter meeting trades in memory as the White Sox sent Chris Sale, one of the top pitchers in the game to the Red Sox for a number of prospects. The deal included the number one ranked minor league player in the game, Yoan Moncada. Sale was brilliant in his six plus years with the team winning 74 games with an ERA of three. He made the All-Star team five times, pitching five innings and winning the 2013 contest. He set White Sox records for most strike outs in a season with 274 and had four consecutive years with over 200. After four straight losing seasons, the franchise decided it was time to rebuild and Sale was in demand so the painful decision was made to trade him and hope for a better future.