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No offense but I believe it when I see it. These are the White Sox remember where being "fiscally responsible" is more important than winning.

Trade him while his value is high! ?

I have no issue holding the Sox medical staff accountable as well. As I've advocated in the past an outside group of consultants need to be brought in to evaluate everything connected with the injury situation. Trainers, doctors, off season conditioning programs, nutrition programs, in season conditioning programs...the entire gamut and scope of things. Cheap insurance just in case something is falling through the cracks, not being done or being done incorrectly. Doctors and trainers are human too...they make mistakes like all of us. (Just ask jack McDowell about that...) I recall during the "Shouldergate" saga when the Sox were under fire and some of their pitchers (Sirotka and Bob Howry come to mind) said their injuries were misdiagnosed that Kenny had a press conference and angrily (is he any other way?) defended the Sox medical / training staff. That didn't make anybody look good including the organization.

Nice to see him having a very solid season. Augers well for the future. Regarding Rios who actually wasn't a bad player but remember onemore than one occasion Ozzie pulled him out of a game for not hustling. That put him on the shit list for many Sox fans (and I can't blame them for that.)

Solid effort today from Lopez and a nice way to end the road trip. 8-4 in this stretch of 14 games vs. mediocre / bad teams. Hopefully they can get some revenge on the Nationals starting tomorrow night before the "big boys" roll in.

But DFA'ing him makes the front office looks bad doesn't it? Don't think for a second that isn't a factor in all this, not with some of the ego's running things.

Not saying much though is it? Another one bites the dust. Gotta bring up the kid now or start making trades for arms just to finish the year out. The injuries the last three seasons at both the major and minor league levels has made a serious impact on things and the Sox better figure out why this is happening. Off season conditioning? Diet?? In season work??? Something is helping to cause this (unless you believe in luck which I don't)

I've always found this quote to be very prophetic as it turned out: Jerry Reinsdorf was a “source of intrigue” and in the future could become a “source of controversy.” –From a story by reporter Linda Kay, Chicago Tribune January 30, 1981.

No I did not. I only read the stories at the Sox web site and at MLB.com where they talked about him going to his high school pitching coach who changed his mechanics. This is something Cooper, supposedly the great pitching coach, should have been able to detect and change. It's ludicrous that a professional pitcher had to go back to a high school coach to work on these things.

According to a story at MLB.com and at the Sox web site, he's been given some time off to "get a mental respite." Which is a polite way of saying he sucks and needs to be benched. Better late than never I suppose by the Sox.

JR is an exceptional businessman. You don't luck your way into getting a professional franchise, he earned the opportunity. As an owner, JR appears to be a meddler, is far to loyal, hold grudges and is concerned more about "fiscal responsibility" (and at one time breaking the union) then achieving sustained success on the field. It's unfortunate for the franchise and especially for the fans...he could have done so much more (and made even more money to boot by consistently winning)

Doesn't seem to be bothering them financially though and this year both of those guys are actually producing some positive results. They seem to be willing to take risks, the Sox don't seem willing to do that. So be it. Regarding the game today, the 2019 White Sox MVP is Lucas Giolito's high school pitching coach! Period...end of discussion. He needs to be hired by the Sox and can Cooper. And they finally benched Alonso. Maybe Ricky CAN learn something!

If they keep insisting on playing Alonso they are going to be on the hook for money next year with him remember.

Of course that is assuming the organization is smart enough to sign good players, assuming the organization even wants to spend that money and assuming any good players actually want to sign with the Sox. It takes two to make a deal you realize.

It has been widely reported that Kenny talked Robin into taking the job, he really had no interest originally.

Cubs sign Kimbrel, Cubs sign Cargo, Theo today says if Zobrist wants to come back he'd be welcome, salary isn't an issue. God what I wouldn't give to have an ownership that plays to win and not be "fiscally responsible". And who knows what they'll be able to do when their TV Network money starts pouring in, estimated to be 90 million a season, up 30 million a year from what they are getting now from WLS, WGN and Comcast Sports Chicago.

Now add up the stiffs, retreads, cast-off's, has-been's and never were's he spent millions of dollars wasted on. Look at the list that was published here on this very site. Based on WAR literally only four or five guys performed in a positive manner for the Sox that Hahn got either via trade or free agency. And by the way Hahn did not draft Sale that was Kenny and I don't think he was in charge when Q was plucked from the Yankees either. And let's not anoint Madrigal as anything yet shall we? He may turn out to be another Carson Fulmer right? We'll see. My point being, based simply on the numbers, the failures far outweigh the number of "success stories" by a VERY wide margin. That's not a recipe for success is it sir? Honestly I admire your loyalty to him and respect your point of view but factually he is bad at what he is being paid very well to do. And naturally he isn't suffering any consequences for it from the higher up's.

The 63, 64 and 65 teams AVERAGED 96 wins a year. Think about that one for a minute boys and girls. They were absolutely terrific teams. Smartly managed, fundamentally sound with killer pitching staffs. I'd give just about anything to see the White Sox once again be that good of a team and an organization.

It is a system wide malaise. And it starts at the very top. And Fry has been absolutely brutal this season, just brutal.

It is simply amazing to me the number of guys the Sox have claimed over the past several years from other teams. I wonder how many guys the Sox cut were claimed by someone else just as a comparison. Just frustrating that so many cast off's are claimed who do very little if anything with the Sox. You'd think at least in year three (or is it four) of the rebuild the Sox wouldn't have to be so eager to take other teams (for wont of a better word) garbage.

I'm also pretty sure he's not working in the Sox front office either. Poppy, it's not rocket science. Look at the guys he's acquired or signed during his tenure. How many of them honestly played worth a damn while with the Sox? That's all you need to know about the guy. Again it is not totally his fault but he is the G.M. and has to take a lot of the responsibility.

They had to because of the rules in place at the time for bonus babies. It came down to McClain or Bruce Howard. Both were bonus babies, they had a "pitch off" Howard won the game 2-1 and was promoted to Double A Lynchburg. Another one of those "what if's."

Remember the Sox (quietly... which was very odd) extended his contract last year. JR does not like to pay people not to work. He's now part of "the family" and won't be going anywhere soon for better or for worse.

$$$$$ If you pay enough, they will come. (Meaning free agents)

Don't forget 1983-Fisk,Baines,Kittle, Luzinski. That was some middle of the order, those guys could thump.