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He's making nine million, it will take a lot for the organization to admit they screwed up again and drop him down in the lineup or flat out cut him.

Because its Ricky Renteria and Don Cooper making those decisions. need I say anything more?

But remember he's part of the White Sox "family" and probably works relatively cheaply...therefore he stays in place.

More than that in my opinion...nine losing seasons in the last 12.

I guessing if he keeps this up he'll be gone by July for a pretty good prospect. It seems to me the Sox are pinning their catching future on Collins and Zuvala.

Have read almost two / thirds of the book and it is outstanding. The research is meticulous and I found out many things about Harry I never really knew including his time in Oakland. But I writing this to provide some addition information to the Caray / Reinsdorf meeting at the 1990 All-Star Game at Wrigley Field that was brought up in this thread. From the book, page 209: "White Sox president Jerry Reinsdorf had spent the All-Star Game in WGN-TV's Wrigley Field Skybox as a guest of the station. According to press reports Caray walked over to Reinsdorf's table, and said- in reference to the comments Reinsdorf had addressed to Caray and Jimmy Piersall after the White Sox clinched the 1983 Western Division title - "I ought to knock you right on your ass. You called me scum." The report said WGN-TV officials quickly interceded and escorted Caray out of the Skybox." Another interesting side story in the book. In spring training 1984 Greg Luzinski was opening his mail from the winter when he got one from Caray. Harry wrote, "Hi Greg. For a guy who was on stage before the 1983 playoffs (at the White Sox victory rally), you sure were conspicuous by your absence after them! Some of us stand out in the open and take the heat. Others, like you, hide out in the showers or in the players lounge when things get tough." Harry was referring to the fact that Greg had been unavailable to the media after Baltimore beat the Sox (unlike Jerry Dybzinski who answered every question after his base running mistake potentially cost the Sox the game)

According to a story earlier today at MLB.com James Shields threw last week before representatives of Cleveland, Detroit and Texas.

Pitching, timely hitting and for once, defense. Baseball the way it should be played. And Giolito was simply outstanding.

Jason is growing into the job, it doesn't happen over night at least he is miles above the final few years of Hawk who was getting almost "Harry Caray" bad (and this was after Harry's medical issues.) Stone is simply the best analyst in the business. Farmer would be right there as well if only they'd move him out of the play by play role which he is not suited for.

When you keep missing basically half to most of most seasons, the numbers while nice don't have a lot of practicality in my opinion.

Rodon will be in the organization, he's under contract. He simply won't be able to pitch.

I think we've seen the last of Mr. Jones, thank God. Guy started off his career something like 8-0 and I remember thinking this guy could be something special....turns out he wasn't.

If Nova could pitch against Cleveland every game he'd be a 20 game winner. Unfortunately that's not the case. Wonder if Indian fans are starting to call him "Cy Nova" derisively like Sox fans used to call guys like Joe Mays and Bruce Chen, mediocre junk balling pitchers who somehow always made the Sox look like a bunch of stiffs.

When Jeff Torborg moved Ivan out of right field (he told me he was misplaced out there) he became a damn good left fielder made sensational catch after sensational catch during that 1990 season.

That's not saying a whole hell of a lot is it though?

The Minnesota Twins (who just a few short seasons ago lost around 100 games) say HELLO!

I'm simply tired of seeing the same stiffs, rejects, has-been's and the like continue to get chance after chance after chance after chance for the past SEVERAL seasons and continue to get the shit beat out of them. I repeat my point, the Sox are three years into the rebuild, where is at least some quality organizational depth? If all they can do is continue to give these stiffs more chances that indicates to me am even bigger issue. But I'm just tired of seeing the same garbage on the mound? Aren't you?

Now it's a six year rebuild....interesting.

Well... Another bullpen blow up (but at least they didn't blow a lead since the game was tied), another pitcher got hurt apparently, another set of errors by Timmy and Jose' and another dismal showing in front of a very large crowd. As Steve Stone said during the broadcast, "With all the speed bumps you have during a season you have to have depth..." Year three of the rebuild and the White Sox have precious little of it and in my opinion injuries are no longer an easy excuse. Just what the **** is going on in the minor league system from a drafting and developing stand point? Inquiring minds want to know.

Rumors have been that Cooper is JR's "spy" in the clubhouse.

"Luck is the residue of design" - Branch Rickey

Is death a third option instead of either one of these bums?

The White Sox continue to play the new pitching game show "Wheel of Stiffs..." Again that says a LOT about the state of pitching in the organization three years into a rebuild. Stiffs, rejects, has-been's, and guys cut from other organizations. I don't care if a guy throw 108 MPH if he's had chance after chance and can't get it done, he needs to be sent packing and give someone else a try.

Pitching has always been a hallmark of this franchise, this is simply ghastly and worse they really have no available options to fix this three years into a rebuild. Injuries or not this shows how thin the overall depth for pitching is with this organization is if the best they can do are stiffs, retreads and has-been's. Just unacceptable. Here's how bad things are from Scott Merkin's story: "White Sox starting pitching continues to be an overall weak point. Factoring in the nine runs on 10 hits allowed by Banuelos, the White Sox rotation has given up 115 earned runs over 151 2/3 innings for a 6.82 ERA. The staff has made nine quality starts in 31 games and has a 9.28 ERA (77 earned runs over 74 2/3 innings) at home." And three more errors to boot. Nice! And next year even if the Sox are willing to pony up major, major dollars and years the pickings are slim for quality starting pitching.

Grissom was afterwards, he was Eddie Stanky's pitching coach. Now I'm only counting Al Lopez's full time tenure, not the partial years of 1968 and 1969 when he didn't manager a full season.