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QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ May 30, 2016 -> 07:09 PM) I guess we will have to wait until the end of the year to see the changes. I would love to see Renteria get a chance now but I don't think that's going to solve anything. Kenny Williams getting fired and JR selling the team would help, but I honestly think the Sox will move in the next ten years. I went to the Cubs game today because of my fiancé and can't see the Sox competing and staying afloat financially even though deep down I hope they do and get families to the park since that's where I think they can compete with the Cubs. Do you guys think we need to worry about a move? If you think the situation is bad now (and it is) just wait till the Cubs start their own TV network in three years. Mark

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2016 -> 08:09 PM) Yeah, my first baseball card was Topps 1979 Claudell Washington, lol. First autograph, too. Sent it off in a SASE envelope and received it back the same week. I vaguely remember hearing about the South Side Hitmen. First game was ironically enough at Wrigley (Cards/Cubs) that same year, but that was one of only two times in my life attending a Cubs' game in Chicago. Just have a general idea about Chuck Tanner, Goose Gossage, Dick Allen, Forster, Wilbur Wood...some of the bigger names of that time. Time to learn a little history... some of my interviews: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/in...=11&id=3056 http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/in...=11&id=1998 http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/in...=11&id=2285 http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/in...=11&id=3008 mark

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2016 -> 05:22 PM) Outside of 1977, there wasn't really a competitive team in there. You must be to young to remember 1972. Mark

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ May 30, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) Bring back Ozzie and I'll be back to help create Hell in the Cell for other AL teams. Sorry. This organizations has many problems. Bringing Ozzie who quit on them before, would only add more of them as soon as he opened his drunken big mouth. I'll pass thank you. Mark

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2016 -> 04:59 PM) Does Hahn think he'll still have a job in 2020 or 2021 at this rate? Guess so. If JR is still the owner he very well might. Mark

QUOTE (TitoMB @ May 30, 2016 -> 02:28 PM) Are we in the worst era of White Sox history? Impossible for me to say, but it sure feels like it. I don't even remember the last time we made the playoffs. Historically based on what is happening on the field it's the worst period since 1968-1980. Mark

Back in the day... Newspapers had cartoonists on staff and they weren't just for political commentary, often they did sports too. I was thinking this afternoon while working outside about the old Chicago American and its "Horsehide Theater" where every few days sometimes every day they'd have a cartoon talking about something going on with the Sox or Cubs. If they still had this today I thought of the perfect cartoon to describe the Sox situation. It's JR fiddling in a Roman toga while behind him U.S. Cellular Field burns to the ground. The caption would read, "This Century's Nero..." Much like Nero did nothing while Rome burned to the ground so JR is doing nothing while his franchise every day becomes a bigger laughing stock and more meaningless and irrelevant in their own home market. Really a shame. Mark

QUOTE (SCCWS @ May 30, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) I agree but nor right away. I was not a fan of the Robin hiring but firing him would not solve the problem. I think the roster is a .500 team. But first step I think Robin should go quickly so they can give Renteria a chance to show what he can do over the rest of the season. Second step w Renteria's input is to clean out some dead wood like the group you mention. That way he gets some input on his roster. Third step is to add a LH bat and a SP but again w some input from Renteria. Everyone is blaming Robin and he gets some blame. But Hahn does as well since the bench is awful and there are still holes in the everyday lineup and bullpen. There is certainly a lot of truth in what you say but there still appears to be questions in the minds of a lot of Sox fans how much real power Hahn has. He takes his orders too remember. I'd be more willing to put more "blame" on Rick if Kenny and his ego weren't around. Since they still are I simply don't know if it is totally fair to put a lot of blame on him yet. Mark

Seven in a row...and no end in sight. When the team is hitting and scoring runs the pitching is s***. When the team gets great pitching the hitting is s***. What a f***ed up organization. And it starts from the very top down. Someone posted that Harvey who had an ERA of over six would get well against the Sox a few days ago. They were right on the money. Yet Robin remains the manager. LOL! Mark

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ May 30, 2016 -> 06:57 AM) I recall that being a more talented team than this. But that team had some budding future stars about to hit stride. Don't see that on this year's version True on both counts in my opinion. Mark

QUOTE (mataipaepae @ May 30, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) Id like to see more hard throwers in our bullpen. Too many lollipop guys. In 2007 Kenny decided to rebuild the bullpen with guys who all threw 95+. How did that work out? The issue was they fell behind regularly in counts and when they brought that 95+ straight fast ball, it usually went out at about 105+ MPH. Speed without movement is a killer. Big league hitters will catch up to straight fastballs. Mark

For right or wrong JR has never cared what the media thinks, what the agents think or what the fans think. And some of that is certainly good, as a business he has to look at it this way. But historically under this ownership there has always been a streak of arrogance, 'we're smarter than all of you...' 'we know what we're doing, you don't'. It goes all the way back to EE and his comments about 'building a first class organization' on the press conference the day they took over insulting the Veeck family. History again shows they really haven't built a 'first class organization' based on the on-field record. Plus Kenny is about as arrogant as they come. The former PR / marketing director Rob Gallas was as arrogant and taciturn as they come. This can't really be called a 'fan-friendly' organization not based on the record and comments about said fan base over the year particularly from Kenny and Cooper. Mark

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 29, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) B**ch and gripe and moan and point fingers. Maybe we can blame the bar boy too,,? b****ing and moaning and pointing fingers generally happens when you have a dysfunctional organization that has posted the worst stretch of Sox baseball historically since the era from 1968 through 1980. Mark

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ May 29, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) Anymore threads of negativity? I can't say, depends if they ever decide to start winning actual baseball games again. Mark

Someone at another Sox site figured this out. Unbelievable. On Friday, when the Sox led 5-1 with 2 outs in the bottom of the 6th, they had a 93.8% chance of winning the game. On Saturday, when the Sox led 7-1 with 1 out in the bottom of the 9th, they had a 99.9% chance of winning the game. On Sunday, when the Sox led 4-2 with 1 out in the bottom of the 8th, they had an 88.4% chance of winning the game. The probability of losing all 3 of those games is .0007%, or about 1 in 142,857. Simply incredible....and pathetic. Mark

Given this dramatic collapse after playing so well for a stretch immediately brought my thoughts back to 1991. On August 12, 1991 the Sox were one game behind the Twins. Wilson Alvarez the day before had just no-hit the Orioles in Baltimore and the Sox had won 19 of 23. That night Bobby Thigpen gave up the game tying home run in the 9th inning, Donn Pall game up the game winning home run in the 11th inning. The Sox lost 15 of their next 17 games. They were nine games out on August 28 after getting swept three games in K.C. This year of course they started 23-10 and have now lost 14 of their last 18. Amazing isn't it? Mark

Given what's happened the past three seasons the organization / team has very little credibility or gets the benefit of the doubt on things. That is probably very unfair but that's also reality. No one expected them to run away with the division. Most thought though given the areas of weakness on the team that they were playing far over their heads and that it was only a matter of time. That time has apparently come. Mark

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ May 15, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) As long as the Sox can handle Cleveland, KC, Detroit, and Minnesota, the division is theirs IMO. The Sox haven't been able to consistently beat teams in their division for years. Looks like that's not changing. 2-8 in last 10 games against division opponents. Mark

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 29, 2016 -> 05:31 PM) What a terrible comp to bring up seeing how Bevington replaced Lemont. No more lightning please "By that I mean that JR will approve of a managerial dismissal during the season." You must have missed that part. Mark

That lightening will strike twice: June 2, 1995 - With the Sox having blown four straight games to the Indians, and off to an 11-20 start, manager Gene Lamont was fired and replaced by abrasive, taciturn third base coach Terry Bevington. Bevington would turn out to be a disaster on the field and in the clubhouse and the long term effects of the way Lamont was dismissed would cause his mentor and former Sox coach Jim Leyland to turn down overtures by owner Jerry Reinsdorf to take over after Bevington was removed. By that I mean that JR will approve of a managerial dismissal during the season Mark

All you can do is laugh at these buffoons. Mark

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ May 29, 2016 -> 08:22 AM) Just curious when was the last time the whitesox blew a 6 run lead in theb 9th Inning to actually LOSE the game in that inning (not just being tied, but to actually lose). I can say in 30 years of watching the whitesox I have never seen them blow a 6 run lead in the ninth and actually lose it as they did yesterday. Try this one: April 5, 2004 - New Manager Ozzie Guillen figured he had his debut game all wrapped up as the Sox took a 7-3 lead into the ninth inning at Kansas City. 20 minutes later the Royals scored six runs to take the game 9-7. The amazing rally set the modern record for the most runs scored in the ninth inning to win a game on opening day. Not a six run lead but considering everything, pretty close. And I'll be very curious to see how Sale reacts in this one. He's told the media when the pressure is on sometimes he overthrows and bad things happen. After the farce's the last two games, given how this team has fallin apart the last three weeks, it's safe to say the pressure is on. Mark

With a nod to the narrator from ESPN's 30 for 30 series..."What if I told you a no-hitter was lost not by a player, not by an umpire but by an official scorer?" It's May 26, 1976, newly acquired Ken Brett is looking to make history in Anaheim, the Sox are looking for their 10th straight win. Announcers are Harry Caray and Lorn Brown. Courtesy: WMAQ Radio. http://www.chicagonow.com/soxnet/2016/05/1397/ Mark

QUOTE (flavum @ May 28, 2016 -> 07:06 PM) Lee Stevens Correct August 25, 1990 Saturday night. I turned 35. Mark

Sox are overall 9-8 against the division. 6-0 against the Twins. Do the math. They can't beat Cleveland, they can't beat K.C. They have ZERO chance if that doesn't change. (And they haven't beaten teams in the division on a regular basis in years...) Mark