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Sox can't count on him, time to move on to other options if available. Stress fractures and stress reactions don't go away that easily... they keep returning, ask Bill Walton for one. Feel bad for the kid but as Kenny would say "it is what it is..."

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) You said the same thing about Kahnle a couple months ago.... Putnam may be done. Petricka is not done. A half season of good baseball does not a career make. Like with Avi we'll see about Kahnle (who's ERA is now up in the three's. Still good...but not what it was) And I seriously doubt even the rebuilding White Sox are going to waste money on a pitcher who can't pitch (Petricka) because the guy CAN'T STAY HEALTHY. But as always we'll see.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) Lost season for both, but when healthy they have been good I disagree they've been very good even when healthy (which has been about as rare as seeing a two dollar bill again) but that's just my opinion. Doesn't matter now...you can stick a fork in both of them because they are done.

Maybe Todd Ricketts was right in his comment today in the Tribune. He said the Cubs would play Washington this year in the playoffs and "they'll crumble..." (direct quote)

Petricka back to the DL with a right elbow strain (a/k/a inflamed ERA). Petricka like Putnam should be done and gone with the White Sox. Unreliable, can't stay healthy, mediocre pitchers and a waste of future payroll. Time to move on...past time actually....and you can make that claim for about a half dozen other stiffs in the organization.

True although Nancy started playing the song in 1976.

MRI Thursday on his knee that he injured sliding back into first base last night. He says he thinks it is OK but the Sox are being cautious.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 28, 2017 -> 11:19 AM) Is Tilson any good or another bust? Does he project to be Eaton-ish? That would be good enough. At this point you'd have to say a bust simply because the guy hasn't been healthy enough to play. In fairness though the Sox only gave up Zach Duke for him who blew out his arm.

Lead singer for the group Steam, Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye... http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/gary-deca...bye-dies-at-75/

Story on how Q turned things around: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/239...opicId=27118146

Everyone is available (as well everyone should be...)

Interesting in that when it first happened both he and the Sox were saying he'd only be out a couple of days. Putnam himself said that he'd rest it for a few days and that he thought he'd be "back Sunday" which was two days later as I recall. Guy can't stay healthy, he's done with the Sox.

Very disappointing that on Mark's day the Sox go out and totally embarrass themselves in front of a big crowd. I know they are rebuilding but this was pathetic today. Making things even more ironic is that someone posted on Twitter a picture of Mark's plaque that now located at the park...it already has a big chip on the side right above the writing of his accomplishments like someone hit it with something. If not already noted, this is the first time since 1914 three players hit their first career major league home run in a game off the same pitcher. Now THAT'S the James Shields we all know and love so well! Sigh

QUOTE (Doc Edwards Shot @ Jun 21, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) Avi is still brutal defensively, that's for sure. But if he keeps hitting like he has this season, I can accept his ham hands. If that remains the case, and the Sox keep him then they need to consider him for DH when they get good again (although in that case what do you do with Jose?)

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 06:21 PM) Not sure I'd say Avi was out of shape . He tore his labrum and came back rather quickly. Now all reports we have heard say he worked very hard to come back ahead of schedule. Let's think about how that happens. I would have to surmise that the key was strengthening the shoulder. How does one do that ? Most likely a lot of it is weight lifting. It's likely he strengthened that shoulder , but possibly bulked up too much through his upper body perhaps neglecting flexibility. He ended up losing mobility in the outfield and in his swing . I 'd say he was muscle bound more than out of shape. Once he lost the weight in his upper body he loosened up his swing and improved his speed and agility. Now granted we have also heard he improved his diet as he matured so yes, he was probably carrying some excess fat too. In conclusion it's possible the post injury Avi wanted to feel less vulnerable to injury and stronger so ate and bulked up to achieve that. The weight loss was just getting him back to pre injury conditioning. Some good points but I do remember reading stories in the mainstream media saying he was at over 240 pounds and was out of shape. One note to Greg by the way, please reread my post again, I never used the word grossly.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 19, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) 10 day DL is a huge factor. Except these guys haven't been out only 10 days, they've been out weeks and months. The 10 day DL isn't a factor at all in my opinion because of the length these guys have been out of action.

The last time I can recall the Sox being so badly gutted by injuries was 1973 when they used the DL if I remember right over 30 times. At least the timing is right if it has to happen at all since this is the start of a rebuild anyway. Even so it is ridiculous and frustrating as hell to me since many of the guys hurt could potentially have been used to upgrade trades and deals.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 01:27 PM) I probably need professional help. Whenever I see the post desiring a loss I just want people to re-examine their thought process on the matter. It also angers me probably more than it should anger any human, considering all the more important issues in the world to get upset about. I don't like to see the Sox lose either HOWEVER given the parameters of the organization both self-imposed and because of things outside their control, I don't see anything else they could have done so I accept the reality of what is and hope for the best. Given the current situation, losing may (notice I said may) turn out to be the best in the long run. What I do know in fact and what history has shown the past 10 years is that the "stars and s***" approach to putting together a club wasn't working. I'm still interested to read any specifics suggestions that you think the Sox could have done otherwise.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 12:43 PM) Now that's a great post. All the ridiculously bad things our front office has done and people give the front office the benefit of the doubt all the time. Avi is despised by many and they'll never get over it til he does this for 3 seasons and by then they'll say he's old and to dump him. You have to give them the benefit of the doubt be it fair or unfair because frankly they aren't going anyplace until ownership changes. So exactly what are fans supposed to do? Regarding Avi, to me, a half season of genuine excellence doesn't make up yet or erase the uncertainty of two and a half seasons of being out of shape, being a butcher in the outfield and not having a lot of good baseball instincts. I hope he can keep it going. If he can play well (not insanely well) next season I'll be converted...but not yet I'm afraid.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 09:47 AM) https://www.statista.com/statistics/193408/...mlb-since-2006/ It's a drop in the bucket. The favorable lease deal, the fact that ticket revenues have gone from 38.2 to 29.54% of team revenues in less than a decade. If the White Sox were averaging 25,000 per game, they'd have generated an extra $3.5 million or so. But that's offset by the lower payroll...which will eventually be sliced down to virtually nothing. Note it didn't stop them from spending on LUIS Robert, for example, or Derek Holland, for that matter. The vaunted St. Louis Cardinals couldn't compete with the Sox, lost Heyward to the Cubs, Price to Boston...we're still a large market team in the minds of players and agents. Compare their attendance to ours and explain what happened in all those aforementioned situations. The average MLB team generates revenues around $314 million per club, with a lot of that now related to merchandising, parking, luxury suites, shared revenue, local and national tv contracts, MLB Advanced Media/MLB TV, etc. That's over $118 million more than the average NBA franchise, a number which are unprofitable. Only 2-3 MLB teams fell into that level of red ink in recent years. And when's the last time a franchise moved in MLB? Agreed. Good post. Attendance simply isn't the driving factor that it once was. Not saying it's not important but it is no longer 'life or death' for a franchise.

I voted Davidson because I think long term he can make a solid contribution to the team when they get good again. All the others are easily replaceable in my opinion and I'm not sold on A. Garcia yet.

QUOTE (kwill @ Jun 15, 2017 -> 08:19 PM) If we trade him I want an Andrew Miller Type return with 2 top 100 and a lottery ticket coming back. He is in the class of Chapman, Kimbrel, and Miller. You'll probably never get that because he doesn't have the track record of the players you named. The fact is that he could still be a flash-in-the-pan in my opinion. A half season doesn't a top return candidate make in my opinion.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 15, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) Who would have ever thought the Sox could win 3 of 4 from Baltimore in June? And only be seven under .500. I'll never be convinced we needed a rebuild in this age of parity. The Sox are trotting out there some of the worst starting pitchers imaginable and are only 7 under .500. They could easily have upgraded 2-3 positions in the offseason via free agency. We could have still had Sale and Eaton with this team that is featuring a rejuvenated Avi, a rejuvenated bullpen (for the most part; yes it's reeked at times) and a live bat in Davidson. Abreu is still good and Melky is having his best year as a White Sox. Catching also is acceptable with this current guy hitting about .250 and having a decent arm. You all can say what you want, but there's no reason to completely rebuild when you have as many veterans as the Sox. This division blows and it wouldn't have taken much of an effort to win it. That's my take. I'm sure El Rockin agrees at least. Or El Rockin likes the rebuild and likes this team as well, lol. I say it lovingly El Rockin. You like whatever the Sox do at all times. Go El Rockin! You are certainly entitled to your opinion. First off Baltimore is a .500 mediocre team with major pitching issues right now...we aren't talking about taking say three of four from Houston or Colorado or Los Angeles are we? Regarding your other points all I can offer in response is what history shows concerning the "stars and s***" approach to building a team...seven losing seasons out of the last 10, zero playoff appearances since 2008, haven't even had consecutive winning seasons since 2003-2006. The fact is this organization wasn't going to spend the amount of money needed to sign the 'two or three' players needed and frankly there were very few game changers available. It wasn't going to work...not with all the holes this team had / has on the roster right now. Let's simply accept the reality of things, embrace the rebuild, hope for better days in the future and stop wasting time and energy lamenting over 'what if.' Just my opinion.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 14, 2017 -> 10:55 PM) Are they taking Pelfrey out of the rotation? Why would he pitch tonight? Also, how many people are left? My power is out so can't watch Shields has been announced as the starter Sunday. That may have something to do with it.

Draft recap from White Sox.com noting their change in philosophy: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/236...tters-in-draft/