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Seems like they are avoiding pairing Schriffen and Stone together The pairing -its done after this season in my opinion hopefully Plesac or AJ although AJ doesn’t have a chance under current ownership

Yes that makes sense.

No Luis Aparicio which I understand he's pushing 90. But surprised at no Frank - he was signing liquor bottles over the weekend in the Chicago area. No Goose. Was at the induction last weekend and we ate at the Italian restaurant on Main Street in Cooperstown. Sitting near us was JR, Dennis Eckersly, Arte Moreno (Angels owner), and Tony Larussa. Just exchanged nods - didn't want to bother anyone's dinner. Who would have put Eck and Moreno with JR & TLR for dinner?

Good call, agree

Interesting. It sounds like the pairing is the issue and maybe Stone will hang it up. He's a sharp analyst but on the negative side of the ledger the first things people say about Stone is "arrogant" or "condescending" I'm sure he difficult to work with. I agree JS has only made a small improvement from last year. His fan approval has to be really low but the Sox mgmt has shown that isn't an important factor.

Total speculation but saw on Twitter / X that Nick Mirabito an OF with Mets was also pulled from game so speculation is this could be related to Robert

It will be interesting to see what shakes out for next year. Stone is missing about half the games - I wonder how much this is planned and how much has materialized with the multiple 100 loss seasons as well as his pairing with John Schiffren. Stone is 78 but still a master of pitch selection and game strategy - how long will he want to do it? The rumblings I hear is that although Schiffren appears differential to Stone on the air they have had some significant off the air "blowups". Sounds like Stone is frustrated with some of Schiffren's lack of ability to adjust and adapt. John seems to be a nice guy but he is not a baseball PBP announcer for a MLB franchise. Examples are his constant comment about the Vargas change in batting stance even though that performance "bump" faded away weeks ago. His forced "big play" calls are still cringey (La Panterra!!!) I don't wish him any ill will but it sounds like this will be the last year for Schiffren. Whats the options out there? Anyone new? Move Len Kaspar to TV ? (although he says he prefers radio). More Dan Plesac? More Gordon Beckham? I think Plesac could be an option if he was paired with a stronger PBP man. Where do we go from here?

Episode 4 is the best. Lots of very emotional moments & new insights. I see why they waited to release this episode until after the reunion weekend as it included sme of the festivities including the emotional toast to Bobby Jenks. I can't believe it only has 11K views on Youtube If you are over 25 and a White Sox fan its must see TV?!!

Cool. Going to see the HOF induction next weekend, hopefully there will a bunch of White Sox Allen jerseys in Cooperstown, although I expect it will be more Phillies of course.

Love that idea. It would also be a nice gesture to memorialize Bobby too.

I was at this game in our seats in Section 127. About mid-way thru the game the guy and three young ladies sat in the open row in front of us. They were early 20's. The guy kept shouting heckles and insults and they weren't funny or appropriate. He used the f Bombs a few times and the Sox security guard that stands in front of the visitors dugout reprimanded him (very appropriately) for using inappropriate language. The guy stopped swearing but continued with adolescent type heckles about one players sister and then made the comment about texting Martes mother. It seem liked high school stuff ("your mother", "your sister" etc.) Lovullo was really upset pointed at the guy; he was livid. A few minutes later The security guard and a few other Sox security guys came down and escorted him out. We were kind of surprised because I have heard much worse heckling than that . But we were not aware of the "back story" about Martes mother until the next day in the media. I was really surprised. It was definitely wrong what he said but I wonder if the heckler really knew the situation about Martes mother. The heckler would have been 14 when she died (he is 22 now per the media) and would have to follow baseball pretty closely to know about the car accident. Definitely doesn't make it right but I'm just telling you the perspective of someone who was right there. Its sad that the WHite Sox organization and fans take another hit for a fan who cant control himself, its not representative of the wider fanbase but adds more fuel to the fire.

Chet really was a dynamic player to watch. Its hard to define "underrated" but Chet's career with the Sox and Tigers was incredible and I never thought he received the attention / recognition he deserved. RIP Mr Lemon.

Well Burger was released by the Rangers. I’d rather him than Vaughn but not Elko - he should get a shot first id take Jake back for depth if nothing else

Since attendance is based on tickets sold (not attendance) I wonder what the season ticket base is? In the past years the bottom attendance (for a non -rescheduled game) was about 13-14K. I bet the number is about 9K-10K now. Even if the Sox play better I don't see a lot of additional sales when you almost always can get a better deal on the secondary market (SeatGeak, StubHub, etc.). I do think the promo schedule this year is one of the best they have had.

Awful news, Bobby is such a genuine guy. My brother and I took our sons to Spring Training in 2006 in Tucson and we saw Bobby walking out along the first base fence. The kids yelled their "hellos" and he walked over to the fence and talked with the boys for 5 or 10 minutes. He didn't have to do that. Get well Bobby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I know Im delusional but Terry Francona would be a great choice. He's had health issues and probably doesn't want the grind anymore. His Indians / Guardians team always played good fundamental baseball.

When it was season ticket renewal time in the fall last year the communication was "we are not going through another rebuild". I was one of the suckers who renewed.

I would love to see them capture some of the look of Old Comiskey like the window arches

Alas, my past experience in business certainly aligns with that generalization....

Where there's smoke there is fire. Boyer is a controversial person within the White Sox organization, he has a reputation for arrogance. Hawk, the ultimate White Sox homer, called him out in his interview with AJP saying that Boyer was ruining the organization and feeding JR his perspectives. Benetti was certainly pushing for more schedule flexibility and more $ but the out of touch White Sox management don't understand how popular Jason was to the fans. He's not for everybody, but his PBP skills and knowledge are among the best out there. It should not have gotten to this point, it certainly re-enforces the image is that the Sox are not a desirable organization to work for whether its a player, coach, announcer, etc.

The prior year was a double digit increase around 10% so in a way 3% was lower than I expected. But at this point the price increase is irrelevant. Maybe they could have bought some credibility / goodwill if they said they were freezing all ticket, concession and parking costs for 2024 but that would never happen with JR

Sox issued 2024 Season Ticket Plan Invoices, both of our plans showed a 3% increase so it looks like Sox did a across the board flat increase of 3% I have been a full season Ticket holder since 1991. We are cancelling one of the plans- we can't justify paying big $ for this product. If we want to go to a game tickets are usually 50% of face in the secondary market EVEN WITH FEES. STH Renewals will be very low based on my sample sample size discussions with other STHs, most are canceling their plans. The way the Getz / Pedro thing was handled as an ultimate FU

Agree to disagree. May not be that exact title but clearer lines of authority will need to be drawn. Owner gets input provides budget, Top baseball guy sets the direction and works with GM to execute. Sox had some unhealthy overlaps and an owner who meddled too much. That's the biggest question, will Jerry truly step away and not pull a TLR or pit KW vs RH etc. I have two contacts affiliated or were formerly affiliated with the team that have good relations with JR and have supported variations of this and that JR has "hit the wall" with the recent deaths of his wife and son and the weight of the last two failed seasons is really weighing on him. Not specific transaction details but similar themes. I hear that a new investment group would transfer his financial ownership to his son helping avoid capital gains taxes which is the biggest impediment to a sale. Ideally Michael R would be a financial owner on the Board but not managing director like JR is.

I may be naive but I truly believe Getz Haber and Grifol are lame ducks. The President of Baseball Ops has to make those decisions, that was the dysfunctional arrangement before with no clear lines of authority, clubhouse snitches, blind loyalties, etc. Those factors are what breeds a bad culture. JR is stubborn but he is not stupid. I hear he is tired of this and wants to remove himself. And I don't believe that Dayton Moore is or will be the answer. You talk to White Sox insiders and these are some of the outcomes that lead to the disappointing seasons and JR is very aware, conforms what Lips sources have said. Again, I'm probably too much of an optimist but I dont think its White Sox business as usual. These were significant long overdue changes and I think there are more "surprises" to come. A new Prez of baseball operations will bring his own GM in. It won't be Getz.